6 women 'convicted of rape'

[SeaRabbit]

So according to statistics released recently 6 women were convicted of rape in 2016, and sexual offences by women have increased a lot over the last 10 years:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/more-women-convicted-of-sex-offences-bfdvv2w37?shareToken=87cfa91f45f367ce2bc851f2ce9d505b

I can understand that there is, rightly, more recognition that women can commit sexual offences, and they should be punished for it. But I have difficulty understanding how a woman can 'rape'. It doesn't say 'attempted rape' which I can understand. Does anyone know how we can get behind the statistics to find out more?

They're transwomen, with intact penises.

I thought the definition of rape in England involved a penis?

Have they changed the definition of were they men?

Penetration will be the decdiimg factor that it is rape.they are not necessarily all trans people

This is so important. Somehow we need to know if these are trans women.. How can a woman rape?

One of the constituent element of rape according to Section 1 of the sexual offences act 2003 is the intentional "penetration of a vagina, anus or mouth of another with his penis". You have to have a penis to commit rape.

There's another thread on this but I'm convinced a lot of those crimes - not just the rapes - have actually been committed by men. All I can think of is making a FOI request

I thought rape could be committed digitally or with a dildo. I also recall a case recently involving a woman who dressed as a man and somehow fooled her friend into believing she was a man to become her boyfriend- they even got as far as sex but the victim had been told to wear a blindfold and the other woman parading as a bloke used a strap-on. I think it had happened on several occasions before the woman removed her blindfold and discovered the truth about her friend/boyfriend. I’m sure a conviction was secured, not sure what for exactly.

From the other thread, it seems that rape can be committed by a woman rather than a penis-owner if the victim is underage, or through joint enterprise (eg. if a woman facilitated the rape by holding the victim down while they was raped).

Not rape. She was convicted of sexual assault. Rape has to involve a penis. Anything else is sexual assault.

Crimes that can be committed by a woman include sexual activity with a child and assault by penetration. In England and Wales, the legal definition of rape specifically involves penetration by a penis. It's vanishingly rare for a woman to be convicted of it.

Well someone better tell victim support

No, MMcannny. In UK law (sexual offences act 2003 in England and Wales, 2009 act in Scotland) rape is penetration by a penis ( which in Scottish law explicitly includes surgically constructed penises). Dildoes , fingers etc are covered by a separate offence of sexual assault by penetration which carries the same sentence.

It is possible but rare for a woman to be convicted under common enterprise - for holding the victim down while a man uses his penis. But unlikely that six such offences would have popped up in one year.

Underage rape still involves a penis - section 5 of the sexual offences act. Otherwise if a woman has been complicit in the committing of the offence it is charged as aiding and abetting rape

Just wanted to point out before anyone suggests the figures might include areas of the UK where rape definition is different, the stats are from the Ministry of Justice. A check of the government website for MOJ shows their sexual offending stats are for England and Wales.

As mentioned above women can be guilty of rape through the "joint enterprise" charge .See www.theguardian.com/uk/2001/mar/17/sarahhall

Indeed, Justice, so as the MOJ figures are for England and Wales, it will be rape with a penis, or joint enterprise.

To be recorded as a woman, I’m assuming these rapists either are women, or transwomen with a GRC? Or would self-identifying transwomen be recorded as women - I’m believe a GRC isn’t required to be housed in the female prison estate?

Cwenthryth not sure it seems inconsistent.

Of course there's no way to check...

Thingy was put in a women's prison, that one who was done for GBH on lots of occasions. The escort who advertised having a 7" cock. Did they have a GRC? No idea and can't remember the name.

No they didn't.

sympathetic article

Note no mention of what Tara's crime was, and implication they have had gential surgery.

Its hugely unlikely that any of the 6 who were convicted of rape were born female. If one or more of the cases had been 'joint enterprise' this would have been a major media talking point, just because it occurs so rarely.

Tara Hudson and no GRC. If Hudson had one, they would have been housed in a women's prison because that's the whole point of them - you are recognised as being of your acquired sex.

None of the current band of TRAs have GRCs - Bergdorf, Lees, Stinson etc

I suppose the TRA response, and the response of orgs like Girl Guiding and the NSPCC would be, that if they have said they are female, then they are female, and so the stats are accurate.

So we will incresingly see that men and women commit sex offences at at similar rates, meanwhile all the girls and women in the world will know fine well who does it but we will need to keep our mouths stut.

How is this progressive?

The only people I see it serving are the ones who say that's it's somehow not fair to say that men commit the majority of sex offences, and that equality means men and women must commit equal amounts of crime... That guy in the govt committee for equalities who wanted to make things more equal by sending more women to prison. Those people, is who this benefits. And predators as it helps to obscure them.