Women and crime statistics - increase in sex crimes?

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Daily mail article:

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5465541/Record-number-women-convicted-sex-crimes-Britain.html

Some 142 women were guilty of sex offences in 2016 – almost double the 74 convicted two years earlier and more than triple the number at the start of the decade

There's a disgraceful rise in the number of adults working in schools convicted of abuse. I wonder whether there are any other reasons for this increase. Might those familiar with crime statistics have an idea?

Presumably it’s the word penis that’s a problem on the comments. Stating that only men can rape (and maybe link to the BBC fact sheet I posted above).

I am unsure of how it works in the UK but here in the US state I am in they often charge a woman with the same crime as the perp if she did not stop him from committing the rape of a minor.

I've tried again. I was using the word penis. Maybe I'm not supposed to?

I have submitted yet another comment, without the word penis, instead male genitalia, so we shall see.

It's probably more that I have said the likely scenario here is that these 'women' are actually men. And that would be misgendering them, or something

Women are usually charged with other offences here due to the whole rape-penis thing, AFAIK.

With the trans stuff it renders the whole thing meaningless. Are there women? Are they men? Is it a true increase or being inflated by TIMs? With no way to find out, the stats are meaningless.

All of this does have an effect of obscuring and moving attention away from male pattern violence so that's a win for the patriarchy.

There's no point in even guessing really.

If we don't know if it's men or women, we don't know if there's an actual increase and therefore if there's something "new" that needs addressing or not.

Might as well not bother with the stats.

We have various crimes of causing or inciting sex offences, but for a woman to be charged with rape is almost unheard of. As Hairy said upthread, she'd have to be involved to the extent of physically restraining the victim while the rape was taking place.

All of this does have an effect of obscuring and moving attention away from male pattern violence so that's a win for the patriarchy.

THIS.

What I know is that Feminists predicted that if governments began counting trangender identified males as females in crime statistics the female perp count would spike.
And so it has.

This was covered on the Wright Stuff this morning.

Matthew Wright did "sadface" about how it was because more boys are now reporting female sex crimes. Some Scouse woman said something along the lines of " when it's a young girl with an older man, we think of it as a sex crime, but you know, The Graduate..." (film about a man in his 20s having sex with a woman in her 40s so not a sex crime as far as I know! Plus fictitious. ..)
I think to be fair some of the reporting is of the teacher/pupil variety ( at least that's what the Mailed focused on) and of course that IS a sex crime.
BUT. Double the normal number?Rape??
That made me wonder. Obviously the Wright Stuff didn't touch on whether or not said "women" were women.
Anyway, the gist was " Women are as bad as men it's just that men don't report".
Hmmmmmm.

You got it in one Bewilderness.... so sad.....

Apart from the fact that it's a hundred and whatever women and 10K men so not really the same at all even with what is probably a combo of more reporting, possible genuine increase and TIMs.

The idea that this shows women are "as bad as men" when there are 100x the number of men just goes to show how women are supposed to never do wrong and with men it's expected so meh.

Yes, it's insane isn't it.

Women: 142
Men: 10,911.

But, yeah, #mentoo and women are just as bad as men

And with a suspicion that some of the 142 are TIMs (although we don't actually know).

It's good if more men and boys are coming forward,

Generally I don't buy the idea that women are doing it as much as men (or even more! one comment claimed) as everything but everything points to sex offending being a massively predominantly male crime.

#metoo - mainly anonymous
the historical sex offence cases - sports coaches, politicians, entertainers, religious leaders, care home and school workers - pretty much all men from what I have seen
the big lists of people who have paid for child porn that the police used - men men men
people caught in stings by police / vigilante types - blokes

If there are all these women committing sex offences why are there none / hardly any coming through from these quarters?

I suspect that nonsexual offences against children - child abuse - may well be under-reported. But sex offences - when men report, when women report, when there's gangs, when it's historic, over and over and over it's just a very male crime.

I never understand this

So men throughout the centuries have been in charge of laws (until recently

To start in government making the laws and the the courts and police enforcing the laws

So if women for centuries have been beating men and raping and sexually assaulting them at the same rates why wasnt anything done about it..

Why did the male governments and courts not put more of them in jail

(Disclaimer...I absolutely believe that there are more violent and sexually violent women around than the statistics show, and probably aimed more at children I just don't believe that its at the same levels as men)

Oooh cross post snibble

I think we are saying similar things...but you are faster

And your words are better

Im being distracted...thats my excuse and im sticking with it

That is a very good point about men making the laws,

And they made them about the things that mattered to them.

Most around property theft, embezzlement etc
Plenty of laws for the type of violence men do to each other
Used to be laws around property and children "belonging" to men not women

Not so great around things that are more likely to be done to women and children...

I suspect that where sex crimes against children are under reported, it's still going to be mainly men committing the offences isn't it? If not there would be a massive online anon community around it and there just isn't.

It is very important to the male "story" to deflect / misdirect / project etc.

I did just read something about france making the age of consent formally 15 (i just saw the headline so i may have missed something)

Because there have been 2 recent cases of men having sex with 11 year olds

Whats wrong with people...you shouldn't need to be expressly told not to have sex with an 11 year old

I registered with law pages to do a bit of research but they only have 18 convictions in 2017 and I don't know why.
One of those 18 was Gayle Newland.

18 listed here, not including the person above
transcrimeuk.com/2016-convictions/

"having sex with" aka "raping" and the issue I think was that the courts said why not? I saw one header on an article though didn't read it.

For all the oh yes we're so "civilized" in the "West" we seem to be pretty good at doing the things we merrily condemn other countries for. Men have got away with sex with under 12's here and it's supposed to be a "no excuses" crime. Thing is the judge agreed with the men that they definitely looked older... Oh, well then fair enough.

I know snibble

But there is no way they looked like women

No fucking way

Isn't it odd how men cannot judge the age of children, even when they have children of their own. It is almost as though their ignorance is carefully cultivated. Just like the johns who suspect the children are trafficking victims but can't know for sure so they go ahead and rape them.

As far as I know, newspapers are not allowed to misgender a TIM. They get round it by saying rape and/or include photos.

In the last year, I've seen at least four newspaper reports of sexual offences, where if you just read the words, you would think it was a woman. But the photo is evidently a man.

All 6 of these could be women without penises convicted in Scotland. Unlikely I admit. But we need to be clear how to use these stats
Just wanted to point out, as the other deleted thread kept saying they might all be Scotland or NI offences, areas of the UK where rape definition is different, these stats are from the Ministry of Justice. A check of the government website for MOJ shows their sexual offending stats are for England and Wales. IE rape with a penis or by joint enterprise.

I've been looking into it a bit.
One of the six was www.expressandstar.com/news/crime/2016/12/09/susan-whiting-murder-killer-jailed-for-seven-years-for-manslaughter-and-helping-in-rape-of-her-friend/

Jailed for rape under joint enterprise for helping her husband rape someone.

Davina Ayrton and Lisa Hauxwell were two TIMs convicted of rape in 2016 but I don't know if they would be under female or male stats. On the law pages, there are 18 convictions of women for sexual offences in England and Wales in 2016, but Ayrton and Hauxwell are recorded as male