Biological SEX MATTERS. How many mumsnetters say "aye" to this campaign?

[SexMatters]

This document and campaign called 'Sex Matters' is a collaborative effort by amazing and knowledgeable mumsnetters on a couple of threads in FWR.

To move forward with the campaign, the organisations and individuals approached will need to know who is behind it, and the honest truth, is that mumsnetters have spearheaded it.

That does not mean that other campaigners can't get involved or even take greater ownership of it. But it needs a bio in order to introduce it to people and organisations to get started and I need your consent to describe the campaign this way: 'mumsnetter led' (and maybe even some suggestions for writing a bio on this thread).

So, you amazing gender-critical mumsnetters, do you say 'aye'?

Aye.

(Although I take the point about the negative connotations of "segregation" and quite liked the phrase "same-sex provision" instead).

(Also, the poster way upthread who suggested "When sex matters, it matters" - wondered if this would sound more conciliatory and also make people think more seriously about when it matters).

Thanks tichy

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Did you consider referencing the science facts? I am just thinking that there are a lot of ‘science has moved on’ comments out there to be refuted.

Aye

Given it thought and I don't like 'when sex matters, it matters' because it would lead to 'where do you draw the line' and 'slippery slope' arguments.

Sex does matter. Gender doesn't.

Phenomenal . Thank you

Aye.

Aye from me

Aye.

I think it's really important to open up a dialogue on this subject, and to be clear about sex (a biological reality) and gender (a social construct).

I do think everyone should be made to feel comfortable and welcome wherever humanly possible, but there are some circumstances where this has to come second to people's physical safety. We have a responsibility for the safety and comfort of vulnerable women in prisons, homeless hostels, mental health institutions and hospitals. To lock them up with men, including male sex offenders, who haven't undergone any kind of physical transition but who identify as women, is just unsafe and unfair.

I do agree with some posters points though, for example, around book clubs and such like.

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Aye aye from me 😊
Thank you for your hard work.

Aye, and thank you!

Aye

But agree with others that the word segregation has negative connotations which are not helpful in creating understanding of the issues or garnering support. I support the substance of the proposal but my first and automatic reaction was to baulk at the word because of it associations.

But I'm struggling to think of alternatives. . .

Also agree that links/citations would give the document more authority.

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Mostly aye, and thank you for all the effort you've all put into this.

Reading it through, however, I did also think bookclubs, hairdressers, wtf, how have you put them alongside very serious issues such as prisons, refuges etc? But then you've explained it on this thread and now I get it. I think that part of the document may be a victim of assumed knowledge, and could maybe do with clarifying how it links either to women's safety or equality of opportunity, which are the main reasons for the need for all of this (as I understand it), including for cultural reasons or discussion specific to women's experiences if those are the drivers.

I'm also uneasy with the word segregation, but I'm not sure what would be best there.

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Aye from me too, even though I am a closet MNer in real life (wonder what/if other orgs that aren't quite so "parenty" could come on board?)

I warmly welcome to chance to open up the debate. To throw the disinfectant of sunshine onto this issue which has for so long been covered up by the transphobe/bigot/#NoDebate buzzwords.

Sex DOES matter. Gender does NOT matter.

Ok can you add for absolute clarity somewhere 'for instance women from certain religious groups are excluded unless they can access same-sex groups'. It might just help those thinking 'ffs it's only a book club/hairdresser'.

Sorry! Totally support it though as it is, it just feels like a brilliant opportunity to be really clear, in an obviously unbiased way and I'd like a perfect document that no one can dismiss for being transphobic, using pejorative language, anecdotal or petty.