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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Children being read stories by Drag Queens on World Book Day

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AssignedPuuurfectAtBirth · 26/02/2018 14:47

One of whom refers to himself as "Bristol’s Resident Slag".

WTF now?

www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/parents-anger-over-drag-queens-1254111

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shedalight · 26/02/2018 17:56

TeachesofPeaches
The issue is it's in a school.

I don't expect schools to present crude representations in this way. I object and I note that the parents who objected in this school were told to take an unauthorised absence! I look forward to the school celebrating other values by getting people to read to children who don't offensively misrepresent what a woman is.

thebewilderness · 26/02/2018 17:57

Woman is a costume that men like to wear and perform sometimes. Misogyny needs to be taught early and often.
8th rule of misogyny: Men are whatever men say they are and women are whatever men say they are.

shedalight · 26/02/2018 18:01

FFS _ Peak drag queen moment!!

www.theodysseyonline.com/why-cis-female-drag-queens-are-form-of-cultural-appropriation

Some people have zero sense of irony.

Fekko · 26/02/2018 18:06

DS is going to a character themed party in a couple of weeks. I had to go shopping for him - looking for a dress for his character which amused me no end (he’s quite a sporty muscly and rather hairy lad).

ALunerExplorer · 26/02/2018 18:07

So I would imagine that nobody here has ever taken their kids to the pantomime then?

nauticant · 26/02/2018 18:09

If the main female character was called Widow Wanky and dressed like a hooker, I'd imagine a fair number of people would choose not to take their kids along.

Fekko · 26/02/2018 18:13

DS always has a thing about people dressing up when he was quite little.

He took it as they were lying (very naughty) and would argue with them. He once took exception to a man in the street handing out leaflets dressed as a banana advertising a new cafe ‘you’re not a banana!’ and the yoyo bear getting off a bus ‘you’re not the yo bear!’. And Charles Darwin in the natural history museum ‘you’re not Charles darwin!’, Mary Anning (sane museum) ‘you lady - noooooo’ - you get the picture. The drag queen wouldn’t stand a chance.

joystir59 · 26/02/2018 18:15

Drag queens parody womanhood and may not be the most empowering role model for girls

LassWiADelicateAir · 26/02/2018 18:19

FFS _ Peak drag queen moment!!

www.theodysseyonline.com/why-cis-female-drag-queens-are-form-of-cultural-appropriation

Some people have zero sense of irony

They are complaining about women being too glamourous and feminine?

joystir59 · 26/02/2018 18:19

Why not have drag kingsreading storytime in school. Instead of exaggerated breasts hair and make up they would have their breasts bound and be 'packing' plastic male genitalia. Either image isn't very positive for girls is it?

OldCrone · 26/02/2018 18:21

upsideup
Because having black skin has everything to do with being black.
Wearing a dress has nothing to do with being a woman.

So does this mean that in your view drag queens are not parodies of women? If which case, what are they?

TinklyLittleLaugh · 26/02/2018 18:23

That link Shed put up is unbelievable. Like one of the Black and White Minstrels accusing a singing black guy of culturally appropriating them.

Elocutioner · 26/02/2018 18:24

I would have thought that men dressing in dresses and wigs would fit perfectly with the non gender conforming message that a lot of children today are getting. I certainly want my children to be around men and women of all makes and models so that it really hits home that you can be what you want to be.

I wouldn't have any issue with it, unless they were performing a sexualised routine (which I bet they're not)

TinklyLittleLaugh · 26/02/2018 18:26

And what Joy said. No way would they have a drag king with a huge padded crotch reading to kids.

shedalight · 26/02/2018 18:26

Lass
I read it that they 'own' drag queenism and see women attempting to 'reclaim' it as cultural appropriation?

I noted this comment:
cis women calling themselves “drag queens” can have a damaging effect on the legitimacy of the movement. Grin

The only antidote to this level of batshittery is humour and [wine}

BlindYeo · 26/02/2018 18:29

It goes to show how normalised this hypersexualised stereotyped womanface is that a headteacher would make this decision.

I mean I agree the kids will all survive it no problem. In exactly the same way they would if the black and white minstrels showed up and did a turn.

Elocutioner · 26/02/2018 18:30

It depends how they are dressed. Kids love a bit of glitz and glamour. I highly doubt they'll have their tits out

TinklyLittleLaugh · 26/02/2018 18:32

For me it is the parody that is offensive. Trans women genuinely trying to pass, fine. Guy in dress and make but not pretending to be anything but a man (e.g. Boy George) fine. Perfectly happy with you reading to my kids.

But parodying women in a hypersexualised way is not fine. As a little kid I would have been very uncomfortable with it too; never even liked the whole pantomime dame thing.

Datun · 26/02/2018 18:32

I would have thought that men dressing in dresses and wigs would fit perfectly with the non gender conforming message that a lot of children today are getting.

That's an interesting one.

The trans-ideology is the opposite. It says if I want to wear a wig, heels, flick my hair and act/think/behave in a certain way, I can't do it as a man, therefore I must change my sex to become a woman, because only women do that. It's gender reaggressive.

But most people know that drag queens are not saying they are actually women. They are parodying women.

Like others, it's not a hill I would necessarily die on, in terms of the concept of drag.

It is an issue for me that they are teaching children that men in sexy dresses are to be accepted, where they previously haven't been, or you could be accused of a hate crime.

It's a cross dressing fetishist's masterclass in grooming children to accept them.

BlindYeo · 26/02/2018 18:33

Because having black skin has everything to do with being black. Wearing a dress has nothing to do with being a woman.

One could just as easily say that black paint has nothing to do with black skin.

AssassinatedBeauty · 26/02/2018 18:35

Have a look at their FB page and decide for yourself.

Raybon · 26/02/2018 18:36

Lol at 'miss beaver'

That's fairly inappropriate I'd say

AssignedPuuurfectAtBirth · 26/02/2018 18:41

WTF is that article?

"damaging effect on the legitimacy of the movement"

Movement? Movement? Hey you supporters of drag education for infants, can you explain the 'movement' and why it's 'cultural appropriation' for 'cis' women to do it? Drag is not trans, I am told.

Cultutal fucking appropriation. That's going to make me laugh all night

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DickTERFin · 26/02/2018 18:47

So no one can see the connection in hyper sexualised men in dresses telling children that if they see hyper sexualised men in dresses in their private spaces, they can't say anything because it could be construed as a hate crime?

Or grooming, in other words.

Exactly this.

Also panto dames are not just harmlessly portraying women either. They are always the crones of the story. The ugly or evil women. They portray older, gender non-conforming women, who by virtue of this are inherently evil, wanting to kill the maiden and/or entrap the prince. It is a misogynistic portrayal of older women's sexuality.

Much of the humor is sexual innuendo (Julian Clary was in Dick Whittington this christmas and most of his jokes revolved around "getting dick"). It is considered harmless because we presume that children cannot understand the humor but I personally think it is inappropriate and unnecessary and a custom that we could safely lose without destroying panto as an entertainment form.

Elocutioner · 26/02/2018 18:50

Some people can take the fun out of anything

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