Woman is cultural - TRA on Twitter.

[CisMyArse]

What specific aspect of womanhood is it important to exclude Transwomen from, and why?

I'm in a (currently) polite debate with someone on twitter and I asked them to not use Cis to label me. He asked me how it was possible to determine a difference between trans and cis (???) if Cis wasn't used. He then said Woman by definition is 'cultural' and why was it so relevant to definite it?

Please help me answer this one. I'm not as quick thinking as you lot.

I'd say hahaha what a lovely idea I wish it were cultural to be a woman! I grew up conservative and religious but was able to opt out of those cultures to be a left wing atheist. Sadly even surgery wouldn't allow me to completely opt out of being a woman. I would also check that when he's talking about uterus transplants that he knows he is waiting for a healthy woman to die first, right? Or can he get a uterus transplant from a "cultural" woman?

Or can he get a uterus transplant from a "cultural" woman?

Exactly.

Just ask him, innocently where he's going to get the uterus from. He can't say the word woman. Ask how he's going to identify the person.

I have seen these arguments thousand times.

Idiots saying if you haven't had a chromosome test, you don't know your sex.

Taking a fictitious human whose sex can't be identified by any other means.

There must have been literally thousands of hours wasted in exchanges over this piece of rank fuckwittery.

The bottom line being that these men will do anything to blur the distinction between them and us, in order to get a boner for their female embodiment fantasy.

What a load of bollocks. Yes, if he wanted a uterus, how would he know which person to go to to get one? So he is saying that women being the ones to have babies is just a 'cultural' thing then? And it just happens that all humans and pretty much all members of the entire animal kingdom share that same 'culture'? What a plonker.

Ask him on what basis Malala Yousafzai was denied an education. Could she have just changed her 'culture' and avoided getting shot in the head by the Taliban?

FFS. Just because someone has a different opinion from you, it doesn't mean they're 'dishonest' or 'evil'.

Taking a fictitious human whose sex can't be identified by any other means.

Yes, all this 'ambiguity' around sex in humans, and how you don't really know unless you have your chromosomes tested.

Meanwhile there are plenty of people of a certain class of human, who have absolutely no problem identifying which humans to rape, sexually abuse and exploit, murder, kidnap, deny education to, deny proper pay to, deny certain jobs to, force into under age marriage etc etc etc.

Funny that, when apparently 'biology doesn't mean anything'.

What about being black? Is that also cultural? If you like hip-hop and have your hair braided and identify as black - are you black? Or is it just womanhood that can be appropriated?

@Datun he would just say a 'uterus haver'. A 'uterus haver' can be male or female in their universe.

Is it fuck cultural.

My advice would be to not bother with these sorts of Twitter conversations. No one (cos, trans etc) ever fuller explain themselves in such short statements.

FFS. Just because someone has a different opinion from you, it doesn't mean they're 'dishonest' or 'evil'.

Evil is a strong word. But it's hardly just an innocuous difference of opinion, is it? It's an attempt to push a disingenuous, misogynistic view of women, an oppressed class, by the a member of the oppressor class, in class analysis terms. It's mansplaining that oppression. It's at the least jaw dropping in it's arrogant ignorance.

*its - bloody autocorrect

It is dishonest to push what is obviously untrue.

I can go round telling people that a giraffe is a teapot, but doesn't make it true.

@Datun he would just say a 'uterus haver'. A 'uterus haver' can be male or female in their universe.

How do you identify a uterus haver?

If you can't tell by looking at them. And you can't tell by asking them. Because unless they can see their uterus, how do they know they have one?

And if they happen to bleed every month, how do they know that's coming from their uterus? They could have some rare illness.

If transactivists are determined to say the only way you can tell someone's sex is by testing their chromosomes, then let's go with it.

He is an idiot OP

To use something the athing said get him to ask his mum...tell her that woman is cultural and see what happens

Plus i love this There is no difference between you and someone who identifies as "agender" other then you're not a wanker

A smidge harsh if i direct that at very ernest children of my acquaintance but i do like it

If transactivists are determined to say the only way you can tell someone's sex is by testing their chromosomes, then let's go with it.

99% of them absolutely would not benefit from this. So it's another dishonest thought terminating cliche when they bang on about karyotyping.

Woman by definition is 'cultural'

He is wrong. Woman, by biology, is female. No reputable dictionary would define 'woman' as 'cultural'.

Just ask him, innocently where he's going to get the uterus from. He can't say the word woman. Ask how he's going to identify the person.

Suddenly the headlong rush to transition young women makes sense - all those medically necessary hyterectomies to mitigate harm from administering testosterone to young wimen will provide a steady stream of uteruses for transplant.

I refuse to tie myself up with ever increasing convoluted descriptions i see some folk use on here and likes of twitter.

Everyone knows a woman is an adult human female. It’s that simple.

boatyardblues: Suddenly the headlong rush to transition young women makes sense - all those medically necessary hyterectomies to mitigate harm from administering testosterone to young wimen will provide a steady stream of uteruses for transplant.

OMG! I genuinely feel sick. This had never entered my mind before.

Me either, but once the thought occurred to me it was hard to ignore.

I would be interested to know whether the uteruses are viable for transplant after several years’ exposure to testosterone, mind.

boatyardblues: I would be interested to know whether the uteruses are viable for transplant after several years’ exposure to testosterone, mind.

Yes, that makes sense but as I doubt anyone really knows so the idea of well, almost stealing uteruses' would appeal to those who think trans woman should be allowed to have a baby at any cost. I really do feel sick, I think this has hit me harder than than any of the other trans issues I struggle with. Maybe because I have daughters and young granddaughters.

Could the performance of gender be understood as the culture of being a woman? Obviously being a woman is not dependent on this performance and there could be questions about the degree of choice different women have in the partaking of this performance. Now I personally dislike the term "cultural appropriation" being used to shut down debate, but given it often is in lefty circles, I'd be interested to hear the reasons it's OK in the case of women. Is it just because men still think they own us?

Oh God, you lot.

OP, ask your friend if he understands the difference between 'implant' and 'transplant'.