Please help advise and shape a Campaign for the Right to Choose Sex Segregation... Basil?

[GuardianLions]

After discussing on other threads the problems of
-using the language,
-reacting to the advances and
-responding to the priorities and concerns of those who seek to abolish women's rights - in other words, allowing MRAs and TRAs set the terms of the debate, there is a risk we are not taking the opportunity to set out our own demands.

So I thought we could set one out.

I brought together some thought and discussion on MN to create a document, setting out a simple demand for the 'Right to Choose Sex Segregation' - a right that is clearly being taking away from us by letting people opt into the services and facilities designated for the opposite sex. Many thanks to everyone who has responded with suggestions/corrections so far.

This doesn't cover the worrying transing of kids deliberately, in order to keep a clear focus of its aims.

It also avoids contentious terms such as 'gender' or 'transgender' and avoids heady intellectual language to keep it as inclusive as possible.

My current thoughts are to

• Create an attractive, printable PDF to raise awareness to distribute during actions.
• Use it as a basis for a widely circulated petition
• Target businesses for twitter/letter writing campaigns, boycotts

However, I don't want to go down the road of Caroline Craido-Perez or Laura Bates and be the face of anything. Is Basil still here? How did it work staying anonymous with 'We Believe You'?

I'd love to have any thoughts, feedback, next steps or suggestions to make this an empowering resource for people who want the option for sex-segregation/ same-sex spaces.

Big thanks in advance.

I think 'gender dysphoria' has successfully confused everything already. And this isn't about dysphoric people

But it is really IMO because there isn't enough gatekeeping of people diagnosed with GD. Women's spaces should be able to exclude all males. As the Equality Act permits.

I think if you don’t use the language that’s being used in the world then it looks like you’re not understanding properly/ scare mongering.

I’m totally not critiscing here, just trying to help. I think you have done an amazing job with this.

An also the medical establishment conflating sex and gender is another point that needs challenging.
I wonder if there is a way of speaking about it without playing into the gender bullshit.

I think my problem is that people with other psychological issues are being diagnosed as gender/sex dysphoric and those other issues are going untreated.

I’m totally not critiscing here, just trying to help. I think you have done an amazing job with this.

Me too.

Don't worry I know you want to help. I am just very cautious about letting this one in by stealth.... there must be a way

I know how you feel. To be honest your doc is one of the best I've seen.

Thanks... I am pleased - but it wouldn't be so good without you and jello and everyone helping to thrash it out!

It was a huge mistake for the medical community to adopt the brain sex idea of gender.
I like that you put in the reasons people say they are entitled to use the spaces designated for the opposite sex. Because I feel like it is what has actually been written into the law, bizarre as that may seem, so it needs to be addressed.

It's a great document, Guardian.
Just to ask, I'd always thought that the original term was body dysphoria? That feeling of your body really being wrong, which I think correlates more with the transsexual style of thinking? I assumed it turned to gender dysphoria in order to allow any old fetishist or person who doesn't quite fit the stereotypes in under the trans umbrella?

Some of the confusion can be cleared by simply using parentheses.
When you mean sex (not gender) and when you mean gender ( not sex).

Personally I don't think you need to spell out in the title of the section that gender dysphoria is a mental health condition. You can do that in the description. I don't really think it's such a commonly understood term that the average person will disagree with your appraisal of it. So it's a sympathy thing for medically diagnosed trans people. But I respect your judgement and as I said I'm really impressed, not least by the lack of capitulation to the transagenda which I've rarely seen clearly from other sources.

To be honest your doc is one of the best I've seen.

Agreed. That’s why I want it to be bulletproof.

Changing from BD like other mental illness to gender dysphoria seems to be what helped create this disastrous set of laws, Collidascope.

'Body dysphoria' would be great if it is still understood....

I agree, I just think it won't be a major issue when the rest of it is so uncompromising.

I assumed it turned to gender dysphoria in order to allow any old fetishist or person who doesn't quite fit the stereotypes in under the trans umbrella?

Yes I'm pretty sure this came about from trans lobbying.

Just been doing a bit of mum stuff and will think how to update the doc again.

Hi guardian

On page 1 who does it affect?

I’d add rape and domestic abuse survivors who are what 1 in 4 women?

Thanks Elle

It’s great by the way.

One other thing if space allows, I would maybe include about teaching girls that they deserve to be able to set boundaries and to expect to be respected. Principles of consent type thing

Yes Elle very true

One other thing if space allows, I would maybe include about teaching girls that they deserve to be able to set boundaries and to expect to be respected. Principles of consent type thing

Absolutely agree.

Thanks for all your amazing input here everyone. I have just updated it here

I held my nose and used the word 'gender' (but did '/body' - does this work or does it confuse?)and also changed the opening page to take on suggestions in this thread and the original one it started on.

Any comments on how to improve welcome - also - any thoughts on how to best get it out there. I have a kind offer to put it on Fair Play website.