Political views all to pot...

[PipGirl404]

Hey guys, it's my first post here so be nice

As quite a few of you will know I came to a bit of a realisation on another thread after keeping my head in the sand with regards to the whole 'cis' plight.

I'm trying to avoid making this a TAAT, but one of the LM threads got me thinking a lot on my political position and how I'm now feeling a bit confused by it.

I've always been very liberal left, I live in Scotland and am a firm SNP supporter and thought an SNP-Labour coalition would have been the desired outcome in the last GE. However, after reading up on Labours stance that transwomen ARE women I'm all out of sorts and not really sure where I stand... the more I've read into this and the more I've based an opinion on it I've realised I'm definitely gender critical, which kind of goes against the movement in the parties I support(ed?) for including transwomen as women and it really doesn't sit right with me.

I'm not sure what I'm hoping to get out of this - maybe for you all to let me know your political views and why? Reading through it might give me a bit of perspective and give me something to think about?

Thanks in advance!

I'm a socialist, a feminist, and gender critical.
I prefer the Nordic model of society; which provides soft socialism for social needs (healthcare, housing, basic services we all use) and controlled capitalism for business.
It seems to mostly provide for people's needs while avoiding the excesses of either end of the political spectrum.

Like Crow, I am an old school leftist and support the pragmatic solution of a mixed market economy with high levels of public service and social welfare provisions.

Pip - the left has been hijacked by ultra-individualists. It's not you: it's them.

I think that a lot of us are politically homeless. I’m generally socially liberal and economically conservative, which isn’t a great starting point, and am very much gender critical. I’ve been homeless since the Brexit referendum was called (something I feel was far to complicated to boil down to a single question and was done for party not country reasons).

I was at a talk last night with Helen Pankhurst who said that she’s critical of all political parties and doesn’t have a particular affinity with any of them but collaboration on women’s and feminist issues was important. I think I stand with her.

Me too. I voted labour the first time in 2007 and SNP since in all elections. I used to give my list vote to the greens but stopped when they brought in the non men thing.

I am very pro Indy but not to the extent that I could continue to vote snp should the result of this so called consultation result in a negative way for women and children.

Feeling very politically homeless.

I dont really 100% support self ID, im not too sure on where I stand on the whole thing. I have yet to solidify my ideas on it but it does indeed worry me for many reasons.

However this in no way eclipses my concern for other members of society. As far as I can see my reasons for being a Labour voter have not changed and no other party offers ideas as close as to what I would support happening. (perhaps the Green party but again they support self ID and they are also a smaller party who does not stand much of a chance in my area)

So I would still vote Labour at this point.

I'm really glad it's not just me! Old school leftist seems to apply a lot to my thinking.

I think gender critical cuts across all political parties. It is not a partisan cause, it's about law.

The proposed self ID law has massive legal flaws and unintended consequences and in fact throws the existing GRA into question as a result. This is about making appropriate laws. The vested interests are lobbying hard which is the way law gets developed. Custom and practice is running ahead of the law, deliberately, and is setting precedent the law can be expected to follow unless the precedent is challenged.
Take for example the gender expression policy written by Stonewall for Credit Suisse which a man uses to justify going in the women's toilets on the day he is wearing a dress.
I don't go into the men's toilets on the day I am wearing trousers. I don't agree with this precedent, there is much more precedent for toilets being sex segregated than clothing segregated.

This is beyond politics frankly and into the realm of harassment.

Hi OP
Have you completed the Scottish Government's consultation on changing the procedure by which a person can apply for a new gender recognition certificate?

If/when Scotland pushed self declaration through (Self-ID) it will be very for women all over the UK.

Shall I find you the link?

I also feel politically homeless. I was always left of centre mostly (and a bit right of centre on a few issues), but I actually joined Labour in order to vote for Jeremy Corbyn, which I did twice. I also like Emily Thornberry's commitment and energy. But as we know, sometimes today's game changers become tomorrow's totalitarians if left unchecked and Labour's position on self ID has been a big eye opener to me. I will vote against it in March, but will be watching their positioning very carefully. I might withdraw my support and DD contributions if they go ahead with this insane proposition.
How they deal with it will give me a fair indication of how they will behave in power. I would also feel at home in the Green Party, but they also support self ID. And I just cannot bring myself to vote Tory.

It feels a bit like Invasion of the Body Snatchers.

*pushes

It feels a bit like Invasion of the Body Snatchers.

Hilarious

Can you please send the link Patodp

Thanks so much for your responses everyone!

I’m the same. Life long lefty, Labour voter...feeling all at sea right now.

Reading this in The Telegraph -

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/01/14/women-identify-men-not-offered-routine-nhs-breast-cancer-screening/

• and agreeing with David Davies - it’s quite unsettling.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3149634-Please-do-Scottish-self-id-consultation-even-if-not-Scottish

Please share with your Scottish friends not long left!