So disappointed about Vagina Museum.

[EmpressOfJurisfiction]

There are plans for one. But they are explicitly NOT celebrating "the female reproductive system". Guess why.

I went to an event promoting it tonight, and it was generally great - especially the talk on the history of the word cunt, & the charity providing sanpro for asylum seekers & refugees.

There was a lot about the importance of being able to talk about our bodies, the odd reference to "Vagina-havers" or "people with periods" but it was rare enough that I could largely ignore it.

Then at the end of the evening I realised that the museum's strapline was about "celebrating vaginas & the people who have them". The organiser then announced a future event featuring Sophie LaBelle of Assigned Male. FFS.

What finished it off for me was a look at their website, where they explain that they don't talk about female reproductive systems because that would be trans-exclusionary.

This could have been a brilliant opportunity to celebrate women as a sex & our bodies. But it's not.

men don't have vaginas though.
The majority of transwomen keep their penis. A small number of transwomen have front holes which need to be dilated frequently or they close (in much the same way as an open wound would close). So why do we have to share the word vagina with men? MEN DON'T HAVE VAGINAS.

I'm surprised at how little has been raised.

I doubt they actually want to raise £300,000. People might then ask where the museum was.

They want to keep pulling in a few 10s of thousands a year so they can keep fundraising for the 'charity'. Sadly most of that money will go on 'staffing costs' but they will keep plugging away asking for donations.

What is the point of this?

Like really... What IS the point if the first thing you prattle on about is gender not sex?

The point is to open the first vagina museum before any women-centred vagina museums turn up. The point is to make sure that every facet of the educational, work, charitable, social, online and cultural life of women has been infiltrated by the trans activism ideology. The point is to make it very difficult for girls and women to hear another view.

Absolutely on the money there, stillathing

This is all fine. Totally normal and sane to center the tiny minority of gender dysphoric people at the heart of a museum about women's biology. Sure.

Now, can anyone tell me whether the trans activists have been in touch with that famous Penis Museum in Iceland? I would dread to think that this world renowned museum of the phallus is excluding lady-dick from their educational exhibits. Women have penises too, after all. I hope the Penis Museum is not being transexclusionary by ignoring this. Think of the hurt feelz and gender dysphoric meltdowns it would cause for a transwoman to visit the Penis Museum and not see her biology represented? It would be literal violence.

What a shit-show. Both fetishising and denying the reality of the vagina in one fell swoop. I didn't think the TRA agenda could get any more illogical...

www.vaginamuseum.co.uk/single-post/2019/03/21/We-need-your-help-to-make-the-world’s-first-bricks-and-mortar-Vagina-Museum-a-reality

Seems like a bit of a job creation scheme. I do think they are trying to be inclusive of transmen rather than transwomen though

They took all the twats. Put them in a twat museum

I do think they are trying to be inclusive of transmen rather than transwomen though

Except that as Empress says they invited Sophie Labelle, a MTF transactivist to speak. These things are never really about FTM sensitivities. That's an excuse.

I really wouldn't have a problem with transmen being in a vagina museum. Or in my toilets or single sex spaces.

It's the creepy fetishists that I want far, far away from my daughter, thank you.

Honestly the trans umbrella has done a great deal of harm. Gender dysphoria is unusual and relevant to a vagina museum, cross dressing blokes with semis in thier frilly pants - not so much.

I do think they are trying to be inclusive of transmen rather than transwomen though

And yet.

Juno Roche, MTF transgender person, is on the Advisory Board.

They don't seem to have any FTM transgender people as Trustees or on the Advisory Boards.

So the "trans inclusion" is only for those with penises. In the Vagina Museum. It is trans exclusion for those with vaginas. As usual.

Good point.

And, come to think of it, where are the disabled women, the older women, the women with faith, the sexual women - the women who are all of the above?

It's just never going to raise enough money. And even if it did, it's not going to the be powerful political movement it could be.

And the great wall of vagina isn't even a wall or vaginas - "the series of plaques of vulvas" ins't such a catchy name. Besides, he's a wee bit creepy, massaging warm gloop onto all those women's fannies

I'm going to have my own vagina museum. It'll work like this - "you got a vagina? Want to talk about it?"

IIRC, the prevalence of transsexualism among females is one in 34,000. Almost exclusively homosexual TS, there are almost no late onset nonhomosexual female TS (the female equivalent of AGPs aka AAPs). Please note they do exist, they're just exceptionally rare, while AGPs are the majority among male TS.

Furthermore, having scoured through the research at some point and calculated the probable percentage of trans people who are fully post-op, that percentage was about 1% among males and even less for females (phalloplasty has a lower success rate, complications are apparently frequent).

It is utterly bizarre therefore for the people behind the museum to focus on inclusivity.

Interesting to note by the way that in a recent Twitter spat where a menstruation product company was taken to task for using the words women and girls, they were schooled by TRAs on their exclusive language and told to use female instead as this included those who identified as trans and non-binary.

A small number of people pointed out to that beleaguered company that if they conceded the words women and girls it would not be enough as other companies who had done so were now being pressured on their use of female, as this was exclusionary, too.

When I first got into this debate, I frequently came across the concept of female erasure and I thought that was uneccessary hyperbole and entirely OTT. Tinfoil hattery, I might have thought, far too outrageous to be true and that this makes us look just a little too crazy to be taken seriously.

I cannot adequately express how ashamed I now feel for not believing those brave, prescient women. How much I wish that it was tinfoil hattery. And just how much I want to thank those raising the alarm. I think I didn't want to believe it. I do now. I hear you.

note: "first of all"

My takeaway too. Obviously our first concern as women is how we can make sure men who feel sad, or entitled, are included as our priority.

Interesting tweet.

What about all the schools who can use it to develop their female pupils sense of self and health, regardless of how they identify?

Can't help but think that the reason they aren't getting the money they need is because of this thinking.

"This is going to be a FREE, QUEER space which I think is something that we really really need to get more of. Plus think of all the schools that can use it to develop their LGBTQ curriculum."

"Vision, Mission, Values:

...Act as a forum for feminism, women’s rights, the LGBT+ community and the intersex community

Challenge heteronormative and cisnormative behaviour

Promote intersectional, feminist and trans-inclusive values"

You can contact them. I did to tell them they are off their rockers :P

There is a penis museum, In Iceland:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Icelandic_Phallological_Museum

Feminists should be demanding equal, uh, prominence.

Yes, Older, I did do that - was told that they are right and I am wrong. Well, that's not a quote, but, basically, I am old fashioned.

That's as may well be, but, doesn't mean I'm not able to spot a male bodied predator in my single sex space, have a vaginal prolapse, had a miscarriage in a public loo and have a daughter who is under the care of a gynaecologist.

Vaginas are not intersectional. They are female.

Looks like the vagina museum has revised their aims and objectives to be a bit more female focussed. www.vaginamuseum.co.uk/pages/our-story-and-mission

That's encouraging.

They accidentally included the words “gynaecological anatomy”

Yes then they say of course they couldn’t use the term “female reproductive system” because that would be trans-exclusionary

Apparently unaware that’s exactly what “gynaecological anatomy” means...

If women aren’t defined by their reproductive anatomy I would really love to hear what they are defined by, Vagina Museum webfolk?

Oh PISS OFF @MockerstheFeManist

I've been earwormed by that for hours now... I may have sung it out loud in the fucking library!

I bloody hate this place sometimes!

(Oh, in case "Y'all" think I am being serious, that's called humour, specifically sarcasm )

Spread knowledge and raise awareness of the gynaecological anatomy and health

Give confidence to people to talk about issues surrounding the gynaecological anatomy

Erase the stigma around the body and gynaecological anatomy

Act as a forum for feminism, women’s rights, the LGBT+ community and the intersex community

Challenge heteronormative and cisnormative behaviour

Promote intersectional, feminist and trans-inclusive values

From their website above
It’s a no from me
Cisnormative behaviour
what does that hellish made up word does that even mean?
Challenge it ? How the hell

Euk!! 4 - 6 cancel out 1 - 3, don't they?

If they do 4 - 6 then they cannot do 1- 3 at all without lying and twisting science