Why is it only women that are affected by trans rights?

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There are transmen, as in those who are self identifying as men but were born biologically female. Why aren’t they making as much fuss and trying to erode the rights of the gender class they want to belong to? Is it because being born female and socialised as female they don’t feel entitled in the way transwomen do?

The entire trans debate seems to be focussed on transwomen and their rights to be declared women. I just don’t see any kind of similar ‘war’ going on on the men’s side. What’s going on?

I watched a documentary on Cyntoia brown. A part of it really made me think, she said "I'm going to cut my hair off so men won't think I'm pretty" I wonder if some trans men and trans women think being the "opposite sex" will protect them from abuse. If you watch any documentary about female prisoners. Many present as "butch" as many have been subject to sexual violence.

I just don’t see any kind of similar ‘war’ going on on the men’s side. What’s going on?

You are comparing 2 different things.

Most men, despite the ire on here about the existence of men's clubs, are not members of single sex men's clubs.

Men might for certain health and care issues prefer to be treated by another man but I'm not sure to what extent they request this, or if they did , if staffing levels would always allow it.

In changing rooms there will certainly be some men who would be embarrassed changing in front of a trans man , but they won't be scared.

So far as sport, presumably a trans man wanting to join a men's team would have to be trialled and is probably unlikely to make the grade ; or, if they do are unlikely to be a threat to natal men.

I read these threads with great interest. I reckon I understand about 70% of what is written but I feel the need to say this.
I am in utter awe and admiration of all you women/ladies who write on these threads. Your knowledge, intelligence and determination shines through every post. I keep reading in the hope that one day I will understand everything you write.
I had no knowledge or experience of any trans person until IW was on big brother. And I was utterly horrified. Up until that point, If anybody had asked me on the street what I thought of trans women’s rights 8 would have said that they should be the same as a woman’s. That was until I saw how utterly masculine and bullying towards women IW was. I watched in growing horror as I saw her assert in such an aggressive way that she was a woman. And I knew, deep inside me that something was very wrong. And if he felt like this, did all at her trans women?

Luckily for me the threads on here went manic and i got the answers I sought. I went looking for more info through the links which you great women had posted. And after an explanatory post by the extremely erudite Datun I trans peaked.

I still don’t understand it all but i know I’m worried for the future. But I’m with you. 100%. I feel more proud of being a woman now than I have ever done in my life. I feel so proud to read some of the inspiring posts written on here by you wonderful regular women. Women who juggle work, kids, husband/wife, cooking,cleaning et al and STILL manage to come here and inspire and educate people like me.

Thank you all so very much. You give me great hope for women.
We have to fight as much today as the suffragettes did. And the enemy is still the same- only this time it’s wearing lipstick and a short skirt.

Yorkshire I feel the same as you! I kind of dismissed the trans thing as a small part of society fighting for recognition. I think it's more political than that now. On a huge scale. As with any massive promotion through media/school/college follow the funding. For anybody who is interested in why our governments (plural as its not just the uk) are "massively concerned" about poor trans rights (couldn't give a shit about the poor though) look up pritzer, look up where the funding for universities which promote trans rights is coming from. This isn't about protecting trans rights and diversity. As always it's about social order and control. I think most people think the "government" have our best interests at heart. We elect them right? Hmmm. Look up eugenics and connect the dots. Who benefits from all this? Kids on a lifetime of meds and self mutilation through surgery? (Pharmaceutical companies are raking it in) meanwhile those with autism (23% of trans are autistic) and those who are gay/lesbian are being manipulated into transing. Why can't people just value and respect our biological bodies. And our personalities? We are who we are! Transgenderism is an effort to trans away the gay and special needs kids and people are falling for it, because "diversity" I'm really upset by this. I'm not even being "paranoid" I've researched it all, I've never known anything so damaging being promoted as "caring, inclusive and diverse"

Transgenderism is conversion therapy.

I was thinking about this today. There is nothing real TRansmen can do that will bother men. Made share cell with a physical women? Probable enjoy it. Ditto changing rooms. Sports, not a hells chance of winning so kind men woulnt mind “sharing” sport. they get to look all inclusive and resonable and it’s just hysterical women they roll their eyes at. No change there then.

The bewilderness a mix between conversion therapy and population control through sterilisation and medical side effects/additional mental health problems/suicide that talking therapy could have avoided. Or destroying gender bloody stereotypes!! That's what needs to be done! Your average person on the street can't/does not have time to think about this. Thinking about and challenging this agenda is seen as cruel. I personally believe trans people are being played by a bigger agenda. They think the law is on their side. It's NOT, not by a long shot

Because it's all about the biological male and his wants and needs, and no one else features.

Even when he is identifying as a woman, s/he wants everything s/he feels entitled to, and s/he wants the world to revolve around them, and woe betide anyone who doesn't agree or doesn't shout in agreement or start to advocate for them.

To the point where females must stand aside, or remember that s/he is now the most important person in the world because of their chosen path. And their struggles far outweigh anything a female has had to endure for centuries. Of course we are insignificant now, because s/he is more important and more worthy of anything we dare to think WE are entitled to.

Rape/death statistics included.

Transgenderism is conversion therapy

Party. But so many Transpeople are straight with a fetish. They are actually being "converted" into being gay... (sort of. Although genuine gay people would reject them as being truly gay)... but I guess straight men who become mtf and then insist lesbians suck their dick are trying out conversion therapy on lesbians...

I'd say Transgenderism is a male sexual rights movement. Rights to indulge a fetish publicly, rights to be rapey towards lesbians, rights to intimidate women in general...

Transnamechange I find it interesting you mention your sister was highly involved with the gaming culture and feel the internet has played a role in your sisters case.

Time and time again this seems to pop up, or people who work within the computing world somehow.

Its almost as if somehow in this is an inability to separate the fantasy world and the world of reality and this conflict and gap between the two is the thing that has created the issue.

For several years I was involved in a gaming community. I deliberately used a male or neutral id in order to not receive abuse and to have an equal status within game and to avoid harassment. The treatment of women within these communities is outrageous. Over time I became more confident in eventually revealing the truth, but only after I have first built up respect. The world contained many young teenage boys on absolute power trips who treated 30 year old women who had kids with utter contempt. Because I built up respect first it put me in a position where I was able, with the support of others, slap down a few for their appalling attitude.

There are also a lot of obsessive personalities that you seem to come across who take whatever they do or say to the extreme and with great seriousness.

My point is, that its a world which is even more tilted towards toxic masculinity than reality. If you emerse yourself in it, as a woman, then you are exposed to that.

There is a twisted sense of the definition of what success is. It seems to value winning over anything else and regardless of how it might impact others personally. It also elevated individuals who were social drop outs into someone who was important.

I find it so easy to understand how girls will see transitioning as the solution in this environment.

I was slightly older than a lot of gamers. Not the only one, but tending to push the limit. I can't imagine how damaging it would be to some of the younger girls involved.

And the trans ideology has surgeons colluding with this self harm.

The self harm aspect was a huge lightbulb moment for me. Doctors are perpetuating and colluding with self harm on a massive scale.

Women are affected because "trans rights" are rooted in misogyny. Women who hate women self-harm and men who hate women harm women, and with the trans thing it has spiralled into a massive crisis for women.

I know so little about the gaming community. I imagine most people don't. But I do know enough to know that women can be treated badly within it. My friends son is a very keen gamer at 9. For various reasons, he's a bit depressed and vulnerable and she lets him play all sorts unsupervised. I do worry about what he's coming into contact with. She is utterly clueless.

Really I think transmen must instinctively know that there is no point clamouring to be treated as real men. They must know they'll be laughed at and receive no other reaction than that. Look at primogeniture and exclusive men only clubs. Like hell are they ever going to pretend a transman is a real man. It just won't ever happen.

I wouldn't let any kid that age play unsupervised.

Its an adult world and there is a lot of interaction and conversation of an adult nature.

I was told that I couldn't be a "girl" and be such an awesome player. They quickly realised that my sex had nothing to do with how well I could play a game and that I knew my toons inside out.

Its sad that there was there was a need for you to prove yourself BECAUSE you were a girl. An expectation not there for others. The default expectation is male=good player.

The majority of people wanting to transition are female to male and a lot of them are young people who don't have the social standing to make big demands.

On top of that, in my experience a lot of young trans men/trans masculine people are already involved in identity politics and LGBTQ circles prior to transitioning. That means a lot of people are going through that identity questioning stage being fed this ideology that trans women are the most oppressed class of people and should be centred in any discussion of gender. Trans men are told that when they transition they get male privilege, something we are told trans women, even when they were perceived by society as men, have never had. Much of the discussion on advice and support groups for trans men involves advice on how to pass as a man and how to blend in.

I think that this idea that trans men are relatively privileged, coupled with the fact that it is much easier to punch downwards (women) than upwards (men) means that when trans men are advocating for themselves, that's still directed at women/women's services - as in the 'chest feeding'/ 'pregnant people' examples.