Why is it only women that are affected by trans rights?

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There are transmen, as in those who are self identifying as men but were born biologically female. Why aren’t they making as much fuss and trying to erode the rights of the gender class they want to belong to? Is it because being born female and socialised as female they don’t feel entitled in the way transwomen do?

The entire trans debate seems to be focussed on transwomen and their rights to be declared women. I just don’t see any kind of similar ‘war’ going on on the men’s side. What’s going on?

transnamechange my heart also goes out to your sister. It’s very sad.

Why aren’t they making as much fuss and trying to erode the rights of the gender class they want to belong to?

Oh they're being annoying in their own right. But only eroding the class of women (see "Chest feeding, La Leche League, Canadian midwives)

Over time she revealed that she had grown up in a very conservative Christian family where men and women, boys and girls, had very clear gender roles. She mentioned a history of sexual abuse and she had been raped more than once. It seemed to me that she was seeking to escape from all of that, and that she was probably in some kind of dissociative state from her female body. She had top surgery, but was unhappy about i

Well she wasn't really with a "gay man" was she? Either he was bisexual or he wasn't interested in sex which may have made her feel safe with her history

Transmen are categorically not a threat to men.

Even if all the women in the world identified as male tomorrow, they would still lose in competitive sport against the XYs, still be the ones falling pregnant, XYs would still be committing 80% of all violent crime and 98% of all sexual crimes, XYs are still biologically taller stronger and faster, transmen would not be represented equally in politics or earning as much...

That transmen tend to be quite young and transwomen tend to be middle aged and well off must make a difference too.

No one listens to young women, everyone listens to middle aged men.

If all the men in the world identified as female tomorrow, women XX's would lose out in practically every area of life.

Oh, Transnamechange, that is such a sad story. Over the course of my #peaktransing, I have resolved to become more vocal in my support for lesbians trying to defend and assert their sexuality and spaces. But I could do better. I will do better.

DeviantArt is a website that comes up over and over and over again in these stories.

Because we are privileged - we don’t need safe places and if we do, females are not the threat, other men are. We are stronger so FTM will probably never make it big in sports. We don’t need men only support in business or politics. Etc. etc. females generally are not a threat to males. Unlike the other way round.

The only issue I see for me personally is being bullied, or worse, for refusing to shag lady cock.

Transnamechange

That is such a heartbreaking story. Your poor sister. And you.

Unfortunately, it's by no means unusual. It seems to be a similar set of criteria for an incredible number of transmen.

The question in the opening post highlights one of the things about this really infuriates me.

The entire ideology wilfully ignores the power dynamic between men and women.

Transmen don't have a hope of acquiring anything like male privilege.

They're not clamouring to get into means prisons, they aren't desperate to go into men's locker rooms, they can't beat men at sport, and they're not predatory. So men don't give a fuck. If you told most men that their sex now includes some women, at most you'd get a meh.

And unless they pass really well, transmen are at just as much risk as any other woman.

If 'stop raping me, I'm not a woman', was a successful tactic, we could eliminate rape overnight.

Transwomen are only interested in bullying and usurping women.

It's their raison d'être.
And that is why they are the only ones you hear about. Because it's a piece of piss to bully and intimidate women.

Transnamechange

Thank you for sharing your story. As I have mentioned in other threads I think being a lesbian can be very difficult for many women and still isn’t accepted in the way gay men are.

Certainly this is the case if the woman is butch or manly in appearance and choose to dress in (for a better term) a less feminine way.

I’ve mentioned before when I had short hair I was asked if I was gay quite a lot (not in a bad way) especially as I wear flats, no make up and hoodies most of the time.

I think there has to be an attraction to transitioning to a sex where you feel the way you dress and act will no longer stand out but be accepted.

I think more lesbian role models would certainly help. Ellen and Ruth Davidson are both great role models in my opinion.

Hugs for you and your sister.

I agree with pretty much everything on this thread, apart from the bit about gay men being popular and celebrated.
I think women like gay men and think they're fabulous, but they get horribly bullied by other men, to the point of suicide sometimes.
Gay men have had to hide for centuries, only being legally allowed since 1967 and still hugely discriminated against since then.

Why aren’t they making as much fuss and trying to erode the rights of the gender class they want to belong to?

A high proportion of girls who are guided into transition would actually just be lesbians once adolescence had settled down and they became comfortable again. Girls are a lot more prone to having gender non-conformity or their sexual orientation interpreted as being trans. So sexually they still tend to be orientated towards women, not men.

Secondly, women tend to be less disruptive and aggressive than we men. (Tend to be!) That isn't really impacted by what sex you think you are, but which you actually are. So think you're a man or don't, you're still going to be biologically a woman (though testosterone will increase aggressiveness).

Thirdly, we (men) don't typically care about group identity so much so there's less to upset. There are men's rights issues but generally we don't care if a woman wants to say "I'm a man."

Agree with most of what you just said, Datun, but not this:
'Transwomen are only interested in bullying and usurping women.'

Plenty of transwomen/TIMs have no interest in bullying women. Maybe I've misunderstood where to put the 'only' in that sentence, or maybe you meant transactivists?

Really sorry about what happened to your sister. Another very sad story.

Yes, Trans, I thought I'd probably misinterpreted, but don't want to leave things ripe for willful 'they all hate us!' quoting out of context later.

OMG, your poor sister . I feel so sorry for trans-identified women. If lesbians are at the bottom of the heap (not really an "if" - they certainly seem to be the most marginalised in the shitstorm of gender identity politics), then trans-identified women are probably only just above them in the new world pecking order.

Are there many middle aged women suddenly deciding they are men trapped in a woman's body? You don't hear about them do you?

It occurs to me that middle age is when a lot of women stop giving a shit about pandering to men and, if they’ve their kids to teens/young adulthood, start prioritising their own interests and careers. Transing allows middle aged men to refocus everyone else’s attention onto centring their needs again. “What about meeeeee?” To which many of us are, unsurprisingly, eye-rolling and saying “do give over!”

"Genuine transgender people in my experience (MtF or FtM) simply want to live the quiet life and find peace with who they are."

So either you are saying the vast majority of transgender people are not genuine, or you are seriously deluded.

If there is one group of people that is collectively bathing in narcissism and seeking attention, it's trans people. Even Donald got nothing on them.

namechange I have been tweeting too much, apologies. And yes, you are are quite right, I did not read your prior post (have now though), hence the sentence I quoted as a stand-alone wasn't that convincing.

Your comparison to pedophilia should send any TRA into a hissy fit and is super chilling. While also explaining the amount of sex offenders saying they are women.

DodoPatrol

Lord yes. Sorry. I had just re-read my post, as that is where my bookmark was, thinking oh no! When I then read your comment.

I absolutely make a distinction between transwomen (or transsexuals) and transactivists.

I often use the microphone to make my posts, speaking, rather than typing.

It's much quicker, but sometimes I make mistake.

Apologies to everyone. If it stood out like a sore thumb to me, God knows what it looked like to everyone else!

Probably because transmen don't threaten male privilege so are not as controversial?

As has been mentioned on here a few times, the new gender rights bill does not allow a daughter who transitions to male to inherit a title. I'm assuming that other male-only privileges, e.g. being a Catholic priest, will also remain unaffected by trans rights.

I haven't heard transmen being active or vocal on these issues. To my mind, if transwomen are being accepted to compete in women's sport and allowed into spaces where women are vulnerable (refuges, rape crisis centers etc) then transmen should be accorded all the privileges that biological / 'cis' men enjoy. Yet we never hear about that.

I do think there is also a degree of opportunism where MRA groups are seeing the threat to women's rights that transwomen present and are elevating their cause to undermine feminism. Look at all the blowback that long-term, second wave feminists like Germaine Greer have dealt with because they refuse to get on board the TRA train. Calling feminists TERFs and spewing misogyny at old-school feminists is a delightful opportunity for misogynists.