https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/02/can-we-have-an-honest-debate-about-gender/

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Another journalist breaks cover.

R u able to do clicky link ?

blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/02/can-we-have-an-honest-debate-about-gender/

It does feel like some sort of tide is turning doesn't it?

What an excellent article - informative, detailed and compassionate.

Its got mumsnet reaction to the swimming pool debacle embedded in the text 😀

Brave and really well thought out article. Sharing everywhere.

I thought his observation that MPs are afraid to speak about the issue is frankly scary.

Good article, glad to see more journalists putting their heads above the parapet.

Brilliant article

Excellent

It's a shame, but I do think it will take men speaking out about this to stop the crazy.

A slight aside but I just read a couple of other wildly misogynistic articles on The Spectator, one of them by Rod Liddle about women's voting and pay

That's really balanced and calm - it's going to go down like a lead balloon.

Would it matter if everyone could simply choose their own legally-recognised gender? To advocates, this is no big deal and a matter of fairness: people are who they are and who they say they are, so the state and society have no right acting as gatekeepers, imposing curbs or rules on that identity. Anything else is injustice and prejudice.

It wouldn't matter if everyone chose heir own legally recognised gender. As long as they weren't also legally recognised as a different SEX.

Great article. Jolyon is going to get some hassle again though. I wonder if he will read this thoughtful piece and regret backing down so quickly?

He is urging people to watch the reaction to his article to prove the censorship and threatening angle.

And I have every confidence that he will be proved right.

Because, despite it being the biggest own goal ever, the narcissists will not be able to help themselves.

But yeah, they will be respective of women and back off if there's a problem, according to India Willoughby.

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Brilliant article.

First article on this issue I've shared. Excellent.

Thanks for sharing, that's excellent

Oh wow, that was really good : I hope some people actually read it

Can anyone read the comments underneath?

Also on his Twitter he's saying he's trying to learn more about the subject, so there might be some info pp would like to send him?

Thank you.

I agree thisusername about it being male journalists/politicians who will turn this tide. Really depressing actually

James Kirkup has clearly been reading Mumsnet very closely. Thank you to you if you're reading. You've covered this as extensively as it deserves

I think it's clever to press how risky it is talking publically about this - surely if both sides are making fair reasonable points, there's no need for fear. It exposes how aggressive TRA'S are

I notice he references Mumsnet!

Good piece, though.

It would be good if people who have been afraid to speak out for fear of losing jobs could add comments but I guess it's too scary. Particularly some of the comments from academics about fear of not being able to retain funding for researching female biology, or to include parts of feminism on their curriculum.

Is there anyone here who knows people from a woman's place who could share their experiences of trying to speak out?