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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Peaky Transers ...

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Mumsnut · 05/02/2018 09:08

I thought I'd peaked long ago, but everyday brings a new and higher summit. I'm starting to need oxygen

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Terftastic · 05/02/2018 10:02

Yes, I thought I peaked years ago - the cotton ceiling thing, and die cis scum die. I think I still thought that was a minority of loons though.

But it's seems I'd only reached the first plateau - and there were many more peaks to climb to...

Terftastic · 05/02/2018 10:07

A couple of recent peaktrans examples for me:

twitter.com/cllrtrisosborne/status/935639394018578433

"You’ve lost. And you’ll lose a little bit more every day so do keep messaging from your anonymous accounts. 😎"

Here is a man, labour counsellor, actually gloating about what women are losing - nothing to do with trans rights - all to do with women losing. That is actual misogyny.

And finally the wonderful Magdelen Burns.

About 3 mins in, she shows the violent (male) TRAs turning on the women who are there to support the TRAs and threatening them with violence too.

It's just violence against women pure and simple - veiled with a "transrights" hashtag.

When TRAs say 'cis scum' - they mean women. All women.

AngryAttackKittens · 05/02/2018 10:12

I'm considering offering my services as a sherpa at this point, honestly.

BrownJenkins · 05/02/2018 21:02

After watching the you tube link, posted by Terftastic, I have nothing but contempt for those vile creatures attacking that poor woman.
Surely they must be suffering from some form of mental health issues?

SophoclesTheFox · 05/02/2018 21:14

I'm considering offering my services as a sherpa at this point, honestly

I can lend crampons to anyone who needs them. I've got the belay. Up you go, we'll be summiting in no time.

Terftastic · 05/02/2018 21:19

I'll provide the oxygen and the wine.

TERFousBreakdown · 05/02/2018 21:21

I'm considering offering my services as a sherpa at this point, honestly

I'd join you if it weren't for my terrible vertigo! Grin

I thought I'd peaked about 6 months ago on the grounds of [insert organic fibre underwear here, and consider that I'm about as straight as an arrow] - kind of an achievement for someone as 'pathologically tolerant' (not my own description) as myself. I think I've just re-peaked tonight after realising that even the mildest of criticisms isn't tolerated by TRAs.

HumphreyCobblers · 05/02/2018 21:24

The most depressing thing for me isn't the actions of the TRA, however disturbing, illogical and vindictive they are. It is the way in which people in positions of power who are not TRAs line up to support them, over the women who are protesting.

Maria Miller. Jeremy Corbyn. The Labour Party. The organisers of The Women's March. The BBC. The list goes on.

It is quite scary.

Lottapianos · 05/02/2018 21:26

'Maria Miller. Jeremy Corbyn. The Labour Party. The organisers of The Women's March. The BBC. The list goes on.'

I know. Fucking idiots, falling for this gaslighting bullshit. Both scary and depressing at the same time

Terftastic · 05/02/2018 21:30

Yes, it's surprising how widespread the misogyny really is, isn't it?

I don't know about anyone else, but I had spent the last few decades of my life thinking we were getting there. You now, we weren't quite there - we still have rape, domestic violence, victim blaming, lack of reporting. There's still the equal pay gap, number of women MPs, in Boardrooms etc - but we were getting there.

Now, people and organisations we categorically thought of as pro-women have dropped it all for the trans rights movement. It's pretty depressing.

HumphreyCobblers · 05/02/2018 21:34

Me too Terftastic.

I knew about all the other stuff. But the willingness and indeed, eagerness, to embrace trans activism by non trans people speaks of such an endemic hatred towards women.

Germaine Greer was right, I really had no idea how much men hated us.

Terftastic · 05/02/2018 21:34

The Women's March really is the nail in coffin almost - not only did they have some transy dominatrix speaking (I think in Canada) - telling women how to get more out of sex Confused but they sided with a trans accused-sexual-predator over the Rose McGowan thing.

Unbelievable.

(And obviously, if I'm looking to improve my sex life, I'll get a male dominatrix to explain it all to me. Obviously, male doms know all about female sexuality. )

PerspicaciaTick · 05/02/2018 21:35

India Willoughby looking at the individual, harrowing stories of women abused and killed by men on Counting Dead Women and deciding the appropriate reaction is to feel sorry for men.

HumphreyCobblers · 05/02/2018 21:37

The Women's March really is the nail in coffin almost - not only did they have some transy dominatrix speaking (I think in Canada) - telling women how to get more out of sex Confused but they sided with a trans accused-sexual-predator over the Rose McGowan thing.

The Women's March Sad

HumphreyCobblers · 05/02/2018 21:38

India Willoughby just leaves me speechless with indignation.

Terftastic · 05/02/2018 21:40

I've been ranting about IW on the other thread.

I just don't know where to go with all this - it's become the single most important political issue to me.

TERFousBreakdown · 05/02/2018 21:43

telling women how to get more out of sex

See, the thing is: I'm technically all in favour of that! I'm a straight-as-an-arrow woman-born-woman and I actually enjoy sex with men. On a personal level, my patience for any 'all PIV sex is rape' arguments is extremely limited.

But can we please not have men lecture actual women on what fucking fucking means to us and how we're meant to go about it, pretty please? Angry

Terftastic · 05/02/2018 21:52

I'm with you on the PIV thing, TERFous, but I'm afraid this was more along the lines of pornified advice how to please a man with a penis - which maybe is fine too - but not exactly for the women's march, where many survivors of sexual assault would be. And what spawned the Women's March? Donald Trump and his grabbing the pussy. Without consent.

TERFousBreakdown · 05/02/2018 21:59

@Terftastic, I'm sadly aware ... though I have no clue what actually drove me to watch the footage. I'd blame alcohol if I hadn't been regrettably sober at the time! Sad

Men - and I include biological males in sparkly pink dresses in that category - lecturing women on how they should go about sex pisses me the fuck off! #thankseversomuchdarling, I'm 30+ and smart enough to have figured out what does and doesn't work for me more than 10 years ago!

AngryAttackKittens · 05/02/2018 22:00

That's the thing though, isn't it? The "sex positive" idea of how to enjoy sex is actually all about how to make sure that a man enjoys sex, at your expense if necessary. Don't want to do anal? Try it anyway, and here's how you can use numbing cream to tolerate it! Don't like being choked? BDSM is all about consent so just consent and then it will be sexy! It may look like it's about making sure women get as much out of sex as we can on the surface, but you don't have to dig far to get to the "your role is to facilitate a man's orgasm and take pleasure in the knowledge that he approves of your service" core.

QuentinSummers · 05/02/2018 22:04

Quite angry. I'm so fucked off with it. And the term "kink shaming". Yes you bloody should keep the fact you like watersports/bestiality/being whipped to yourself. No-one else wants to know and that isn't shaming!

clarinsgirl · 05/02/2018 22:05

Peak trans does not exist. Every time I think I've reached it, I read or hear something that angers me more. Surely this has to end soon.

AngryAttackKittens · 05/02/2018 22:07

No shit. There you are on K2 going "surely there can't be a higher one than this" and then the mist clears and you see Everest looming ahead.

TERFousBreakdown · 05/02/2018 22:07

@AngryAttackKittens, couldn't possibly agree more! Not to mention the fact that sexual self-confidence in a woman has an unfortunate tendency to end up being judged as either 'frigid' or 'slutty' depending on her individual preferences.

We desperately need a second sexual revolution - based on the notion of fully informed, enthusiastic consent!

On a personal note: anal is sort of shitty - pun (as opposed to offence to any woman disagreeing with my personal preferences) totally intended! Grin

AngryAttackKittens · 05/02/2018 22:12

@Quentin

There doesn't seem to be any way within the "sex positive" thing to say "actually I don't much fancy this particular thing". Sure, in theory you can, but try doing it and watch the pile-on of shaming and attempts to coerce you into (whatever you said you weren't into) commence.

In that environment how can you enthusiastically say yes to anything either? When "no" is technically revered but in practice punished with massive amounts of guilt tripping and social shaming? It's all so underminey and coercive and performative that it ends up being just as bad as the old school way of controlling women's sexual behavior, just in a less honest way.