The opposite of peak trans?

[Imherefornow]

Today on twitter I have noticed a sudden influx of gender critical women speaking out. A few seem to have peak transed over the Rose incident!

Fabulous news and welcome 😁

Reading r/gendercritical peak trans threads gives me a warm glow when I am in danger of feeling despondent with the whole situation.

But I was wondering, has anyone see it go the other way? I can't think of a single example but then I suppose I wouldn't from my twitter bubble. Is it even possible!?

Never, in the 5+ years I've been following this. I don't believe it's possible to imagine the emperor clothed again once you've properly clocked that he is in fact naked.

Surely that would be 'well transed'.

I shall get my coat.

No - people generally, and women (especially) find once the scales have fallen from their eyes, and they recognise this as the misogynist attack on women that it is, there's no going back.

The nearest I came was in the aftermath of Trump when there were (verified) reports of genuinely transphobic (as in physical attacks/vandalising their houses/harrassing them in the street) attacks on trans people by right wing ass-holes. I wondered whether it was worth being a bit quieter about my gender critical views so as not to give the right wing ass-holes an excuse.

However, with the direct attaacks on women's spaces, up to and including shared accomodation in women's homeless/DV/rape shelters, I've decided that sadly this is just too important an issue to stay quiet about. Genuine trans people are being caught in the cross fire and made "collateral" damage by TRAs, but the TRAs are intent on a fight to the death against women's rights, and as the attack on Rose McGowan showed, nothing, but nothing, other than abject capitulation will satisfy them.

I can still support the genuinely trans by fighting for their right to present however they wish without threat of violence, losing their jobs, being left homeless. But I cannot and will not sign up to an ideology which says men with gender dysphoria are women.

And thank you for reminding me of this. The last couple of days I've been not so much despondent as just feeling really really tired with the relentlessness of it all.

It used to be the odd thing happening every few weeks and you'd have time to catch your breath and gather your thoughts inbetween incidents but it's slowly gained pace to become a daily bombardment on women's rights, the likes of which I have never seen. Pretty much every day now there's a new horror.

So it's great to be reminded that while I might be personally feeling a little burnt out right now, more and more women and men are waking up to this shit and nobody ever seems to go the other way, and they're angry so they have the energy to fight. So we will win.

We will win. We just need to get everybody talking about it before talking about it becomes illegal.

I'm not sure how one can opposite peak trans. Imagine reading about Andi Dier and thinking 'you know what she just seems like a nice lady who loves kids'. What a bunch of meanies people are to her

What I don't get it how clever women like Stella Creasey and jess Phillips and Harriet harman haven't yet gone 'Oh, God, yeah...' yet.

I can't see how it could go the other way. Blue pill red pill innit?

Genuine trans people are being caught in the cross fire and made "collateral" damage by TRAs, but the TRAs are intent on a fight to the death against women's rights, and as the attack on Rose McGowan showed, nothing, but nothing, other than abject capitulation will satisfy them.

So much ^^ Hairy

I agree Pencils. This time last year there was maybe an incident once a month that you’d get really angry at and peak all over again. Now it’s daily, sometimes two or three things a day, it’s a relentless full scale assault on women.

It’s exhausting and depressing and what makes it worse is that there are virtually no women in the public eye who are willing to speak out. I will never forget or forgive that. Virtually none of them prepared to use their influence to stand up to this men’s rights movement. We, ordinary women, are all sticking our necks out and risking our jobs, friendships, safety, and not a peep from the most powerful and influential women in our society.

Ah yes Andi...lovely specimen! Just the type of person you'd want representing you

I was unsurprised about the insistence on pronouns and the avoidance of engaging with the less tasteful evidence. I think this may have peak transed many a person so I suppose I should thank TAs for being so predictably ideological and single minded!

I think that you're all right! Once the emperor is naked you can never unsee it...it may take some time to tip the balance, but yes, we will win!!!

I think the case of Tara Hudson in prison may have made people sympathetic, initially. That was my first thought about it, I think. I saw a glamorous photo of Tara, alongside the concern about her being in a male prison because her GRC hadn't come through yet. It seemed wrong. There have also been some sympathetic portrayals in TV dramas.

Of course as you read more about Tara, and all the other violent TIMs, you realise it's a deeper story.

Do you think that there are more incidents of TRA attacks on women's rights happening or is it just more that as more of us reach peak trans there are more of us identifying the incidents for what they are and bringing them to each other's attention?

I wondered whether it was worth being a bit quieter about my gender critical views so as not to give the right wing ass-holes an excuse.

Yes HairyBallTheorem I've had days of similar slight self-doubt. The right-wing arseholes are just as much genderists as the TRAs though. There is genuine nasty violence and discrimination against trans people. We should of course be calling out human rights abuses against anybody.

Somehow though, these particular human rights abuses are blamed on feminists, as if right-wing bigots listen to us

Wich - I think they have upped the ante very much from when this all came to my attention about 5/6 years ago. They have been on a bit of a roll recently with various 'wins' so of course they become bolder and more demanding.

But yes also we women are more aware too.

Frogs who realised, just in time, that the water was getting slowly hotter are unlikely to hop back in now the steam is visible.

hipster that sounds like a Chinese proverb

I've seen many, many, many examples (including me) of people starting from a position of unthinking, reflex support for trans rights. If you haven't thought about too much, and believe that the T is the natural next front of civil rights in the wake of much improved conditions for the L, G & B, then your first instinct as a leftish, socially concerned type is to be supportive.

Then you peak trans over something - and it's different for all of us. Maybe it's sport, maybe it's all women shortlists, maybe it's males shouting at rape victims. The scales fall from your eyes, the emperor has no clothes, and the whole house of cards falls.

But that road to Damascus is a one way street. I have literally never heard of anyone work their way from a gender critical position backwards. I don't think it's possible.

I spend a lot of time lurking on this board. I should post more. It feels like repreve from the trenches of twitter

My own personal peak trans was Caitlyn Jenner and the woman of the year award, with everyone falling over themselves to say Caitlyn had always been a woman. Hang on, I said to myself- there wasn't then, and there still isn't now, a women's decathlon event. That's a mad thing to say! Then Caitlyn remarked that the hardest thing about being a woman was deciding what to wear, and that was that. I was hiking up the slopes of Mount Peak Trans and there was no way back!

I think it says something about how insane it has got in the ensuing three years that Caitlyn's remarks now seem almost quaint and harmless. Yikes.

So, whether emboldened by victories or running scared, they're acting out increasingly risky behaviour?

That makes sense.

I think it's genuinely becoming more frequent, especially since the trans equality report was published in 2016. That has led to proposals to change the law - both the GRA and the EA, and has also led to lots of orgs feeling confident to act as if the law has already changed. Legal change in other countries, eg Canada's Bill C16 have happened over the same time period, and international stuff like the new IOC guidelines.

At the same time, as awareness grows, more people are speaking up and standing up to what's happening around the world, so we're also hearing about it more.

I think #nodebate is dead in the water now, which is a big change from just 6 months ago.

Interestingly most people I've seen recently walk back from a vaguely gender critical stance have been men. Ralph Little and Jolyon Maughn spring to mind. Which is slightly different from being a full on TERF and changing your mind. I think with those men it's about bro points and self preservation. I'd be interested to know their private thoughts after being swamped by the twitter TRA mafia.

Absolutely about the lefty dudebros backing off. But that's a real "bros before hos" moment, at least that's how I read it. And none of them actually believes it. If straight you can bet your house that they wouldn't suck a lady-peen. And if gay they sure as hell wouldn't go down on a man-vulva. It's just they'd sooner have a backslap from the likes of little OJ than they would stand up and have the courage of their conviction.