Oh dear Harriet Harman

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I think I just heard Harriet Harman on the World at One saying she agrees with JC on self-identification onto AWS. FFS. Did anyone else catch it?

I still feel like I am in the midst of some awful TV series about a future dystopia where women are forced to say that men are women or else they are punished.

I feel like this too. Seems like it was only five minutes ago I was watching The Handmaid's Tale. The one thing missing for me is spelling out how we could have got from the world as it is today to the world where women's rights can be stripped away overnight.

I think I'm starting to get it.

What are the bleeding, XX women actually left with in this brave new world? In the world where we can no longer access sport, privacy, dedicated services? Where we no longer have our own identity? What's left that no one will want to appropriate?

Bearing children, I guess. Drudge work. Carrying the mental load.

Sounds familiar.

Never could understand why CM became a MN sweetheart.

Wonder if she’s had a rethink since the trans brolly broadened...

Yep. And a couple of UKIP people (not MPs afaik - can't remember)

Bearing children, I guess.

Well even Lily Madigan reckons she can get pregnant and there is all sorts of talk about womb transplants.

Although I suspect if one day 'trans women' could find themselves carrying and giving birth to a baby themselves and all the shit that entails, most of them would probably actually say 'um, no thanks' and stick with ejaculating into a woman's vagina as their part in becoming a 'mother'.

I've just read that 5000 members of the LP resigned last week,suggested explanation is that members who voted Remain have now accepted that the LP will not challenge Brexit.
.819 new members over the same period

And how plausible is that, anyone who knows about these things care to speculate?

I’m one of the ones that joined. But only to see if I can make a change. Not sure if it is worth it considering that absolute foolishness that is carrying on in the party at the moment.

I actually used to like Jeremy and have some respect for him. More fool me.

'I actually used to like Jeremy and have some respect for him. '

Same here. Cried with happiness when he got elected leader. Really thought things would change for the better. I feel like a mug now

So much for being a man of principle, aligning himself with this gaslighting bullshit. Surely he doesn't actually believe it

Me too, Lotta and Nanny.

I am hoping against hope that Jeremy Corbyn will have his trans vs feminists conversation with Linda Bellos [as promised on Marr] and he will be peak transed and henceforth withdraw all this silliness about self id being official Labour policy.

I agree with JC on most other social and economic issues and fervently hope that the Tories go down in flames at the next election... but I cannot say with any certainty that I will vote Labour at that time if the self id issue is not resolved satisfactorily and after proper and respectful consultation with gender critical feminists.

Yes, I was hopeful of Corbyn. An experienced politician, but not beholden to any special interest groups that could pull his strings. Instead, he seems to be naive and uninformed, and happy to be so. No groups had pulled his strings in the past, because no group considered it worth doing so. But it is worth it now he's party leader, and it turns out he's incredibly easy to manipulate and Momentum are getting right in there.

What he basically said when interviewed was that transwomen have been through a hard time, and we should therefore be nice to them. He can be nice to people if he wants to. Doesn't make them women though.
He'll do anything to cling on to what power he has.

Theresa May has been through a hard time as leader, so I assume he won't be running against her in the future?

Owen Smith probably got a hard time from momentum (I can't remember tbh) but he didn't step down from his role as leader to be nice...

It's almost as though it's only women who are expected to step aside to be nice. Men have too many serious and important things to do.

CM has an engaging voice, but she had no formal education - and it shows. She's great on topics that fall within her personal experience, but she doesn't have much range or ability to appraise a subject critically, which is why her Wolverhampton childhood is endlessly recycled.

I'm not saying that people without a formal education can't be extremely sensible and intelligent, only that - in CM's case - it does seem to limit her as a writer.

I think you have possibly explained why I didn't think her book anything much, XXFactor, despite the hype. She never examined pornography critically in the way I would have liked. I read it ages ago but recall she posed a question at the end of one chapter along the lines of 'why does nobody look like they are having any fun' in the stuff she watches, but then didn't analyse why not, when there is a massive existing feminist literature on why women in porn might look a bit bloody miserable.