Don't leave labour over AWS - stay and fight

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All those leaving the Labour Party over this - I totally understand why you feel you would want to do this. But surely staying and fighting this is the most impactful way forward? Setting up a group to campaign with facts, reason, case studies against this decision internally would surely have more impact? Staying also retains a voting voice over who gets to be representing the party, in female officer roles and beyond. Each person leaving loses us a voice in the debate.

I'm a working class, Northern, gender critical Feminist surviving on disability benefits. Naturally Labour wouldn't you think?

Between anti-semitism, Bromentum, TRA's, all 'white Northerners' being thick racists who voted leave and the metrocentic bubble there is no place for me. The Labour Party doesn't give a damn about people like me in their old powerbase constituencies.

I've had it with being marginalised, patronised, dismissed and shut down.

Amen Weezol #WeAreAllGillianDuffyNow. Labour is as working class as Waitrose.

Although Waitrose is ace, it’s posh. And incidentally North London has many branches. Two in my neighbourhood.

I used to canvass for Labour with my dad as a kid, in a solidly Tory seat. Ah, to be that certain, that safe, in my views and my allegiances...

Both DH and I have had enough of Bromentum, John McDonnell, Corbyn, the shouty twitter brigade and the whole atrocious lot of them. I love the idea that I, as a floating voter, have to make the parties work for my vote, but in reality I'm left with no-one to vote for never voting tory

Yes, but you choose who doesn’t get it. Is yours. You don’t just automatically give to a party that gives no shits about you. And if you want input in leadership, labour let you buy a vote for three quid, although I’d rather spend mine on beer.

I actually used to live pretty much next door to Jezza, I could have engaged him in conversation on this topic or stolen the inner tubes off his wheels on a daily basis

Come to think of it, I am actually a huge twat for not joining Labour and voting in the leadership elections. More fool me.

I'm a Jewish feminist. There is no place in Labour for me in 2018

^ this.

Hear hear Weezol Well I was out after Iraq but the rest of what you say made sure I never came back.

The job centre used to be on his street, five years in Islington North and it’s huge wealth disparity, the highest in the country and extreme levels of child poverty, despite being under Cornyn for 40 years, tells you everything about the man. He gives no shit about real issues.

I completely agree Durutti. (Love your username btw.)

Something I've become increasingly uneasy about, is Corbyn is a man on the cusp of 70 who has set himself up as man who courts teenagers to get the votes. It's like standard operating cult behaviour. It doesn't sit right with me.

Perhaps I'm just not astute enough to find the key to educating young people and children about politics. But I know what I don't want is a bunch of screeching know it alls and mollycoddled aggressors shouting down women like me in my 40s, doing the best I can, with very little. I can't stand kids who give no respect those those people who have lived through a hell of a lot and actually grown up.

A friend of mine recently left The Labour Party and her Bromentum MP wrote her a cringe inducingly embarrassing missive, telling her she'd betrayed her socialist roots. She told him to fuck off. She raised her six siblings during the Miners Strike, left school at 15 and fought battles. And this Oxbridge educated manchild who thinks he's some great orator the people has NO FUCKING CLUE.

DONT PATRONISE A WOMAN ABOUT SOCIALISM. She couldn't start swanning off to fucking Venezuela and Palestine.

It's all wrong. The elation at the last election. I mean good god. Elation despite losing.

And meanwhile we descend into this mire of shit.

Weezol, I could have written your post! I feel exactly the same. Especially with the "leave voters are all thick". Can we not push for Dennis Skinner as labour leader haha! He is what labour is supposed to be! "Cradle to the grave" and all that! Labour has been hijacked by middle class university graduates indoctrinated with identity politics. (Disclaimer, I know Skinner would never be elected, I can dream, even just to see him meet trump!) I'm really starting to believe democracy is an illusion to keep us fighting amongst ourselves whilst the big corporations at the top rule over us and laugh. The world is getting weirder by the day

Hey, just a brain fart; how would you guys feel about working across parties with women to get a debate on this started. From your Sun reader, to your Telegraph reader.

Yes, I'm in! Definitely.This is not a single-party issue.

I’m pretty sure most people don’t know this is happening, and the very real repercussions that we are not allowed to speak about. Lian Huntley anyone?

Again, yes. So many people seem to think that 'transgender' means someone who has had full surgery, and think that this is some sort of joke or a minor dispute about public toilets!

Yes, definitely up for cross-party awareness raising if the issues. I had no idea a couple of months ago.

If should be of, sorry

Hands Across the Aisle in the US are a conservative- radical feminist- gender critical group fighting gender ideology to protect women's rights:

handsacrosstheaislewomen.com

I left Labour 2 years ago - I almost wish I was still a member just so I could leave now to make a point!

Party member here (clinging on by fingertips). I am not sure I can stay if the LP entrenches gender and self-ID and I like the idea of working across the parties.

I want to write to my (Lab) MP, and copy in various others. I know people have posted a few links and ideas about what to say - if anyone is able to repost I would be really grateful as I now can't find them. I have got so much to say on this, I risk becoming incoherent!

I tried fighting from the inside as a green member, it was useless.
I'd pointlessly got my hopes up when I initially heard about the WEP
I switched back to labour voting last election, despite bromentum making me uncomfortable

Next election it's independent or a spoilt vote.

I have to fight the DWP, my local council and the NHS.

Each of these fights has a prize worth winning. Money, housing and healthcare.

After that I fight my own body and mind, the abject lack of accessible space, the lack of educational and social opportunities, the sexism and eveyday ignorance.The prize for that is my dignity and self worth.

There are no prizes on offer in the Labour party worth my scant reseves of mental, emotional and physical energy. A pat on the head is not a prize.

If there was an election tomorrow I’d be spoiling my paper with the Venus symbol. I’m hoping something more useful turns up between now and then.

Weezol

Chchch Thank you. The worst of it is that my council has been Labour for decades, my MP is Labour, female, BAME and only cares about soundbites and social media. To be within touching distance of hope and looking down into a big chasm of fuckery is misery inducing

...also said MP benefited from an AWS. Cherry on fucking top.

"If there was an election tomorrow I’d be spoiling my paper with the Venus symbol"

That is a great idea that I will hold in the back of my brain. I keep thinking that it's time women stopped being so reasonable about all this, we are trying to engage liars and crooks in logic and debate fgs! Why are we bothering, how many times can we get slapped down by these misogynists before we say No More? We should be arming ourselves with paint cans, striking from all of the unpaid wifework, and joining arms to parade down the streets during rush hour every day singing loud protest songs, flour bombing Labour/Green/Tory events and tagging everything in site with Venus signs and 'Women Don't Have Dicks'. We are too nice and reasonable as a group, no one is frightened we are going to get militant or even stop doing all the shitwork. They think they have us in hand, I'd like to prove them wrong.

Isn't getting gender critical women to leave the party the entire point of that labour against transphobia Facebook page?