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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Women's marches today

65 replies

guardianfree · 20/01/2018 22:18

Lots of fab women (and men and children) marching against Trump in the USA today.
Good to see that they weren't bullied out of wearing their pussy hats either.
abcnews.go.com/US/best-photos-2018-womens-marches/story?id=52471644

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wigglybeezer · 21/01/2018 15:08

I keep thinking about what so called "TERFs" should dress up as at any future marches/demonstations, i quite like the idea of a large number of women all dressed up as witches, black pointy hats and all...

TallulahWaitingInTheRain · 21/01/2018 15:25

a parade of transactivists in dickhead hats would be a sight to see

Jog22 · 21/01/2018 21:08

We could make hats out of this: bit heavy maybe, perhaps those with sturdy necks could take a witch style hat and the more delicate flowers could fashion something more like a fascinator.

Women's marches today
Battleax · 21/01/2018 21:32

😂

Whatnextxx · 21/01/2018 23:50

These people do not represent women as far as I am concerned - cue the feminist outrage

80sQueen · 22/01/2018 07:37

@PocketCoffeeEspresso sooooo those white women voted for Trump because they are poor and uneducated and not down right racist Confused. Okay then, my mistake. This is why WOC cannot fully stand with feminism as you won't own it for what it is.

80sQueen · 22/01/2018 07:38

@TallulahWaitingInTheRain I appreciate your comment

80sQueen · 22/01/2018 07:39

@LangCleg because being religious means you can't be racist at the same time

PocketCoffeeEspresso · 22/01/2018 08:17

@PocketCoffeeEspresso sooooo those white women voted for Trump because they are poor and uneducated and not down right racist confused. Okay then, my mistake. This is why WOC cannot fully stand with feminism as you won't own it for what it is.

I don't know why they voted for trump - there certainly seems to be the idea that it was his immigration policies that won it for him - it's possible - actually likely - that poorer/uneducated/white women in the US are more likely to be racist - these things aren't mutually exclusive, it certainly stands examination - just like 'middle class white feminism' is often racist and classist (or at least, uninclusive of people 'not like them'). Perhaps they are all racist, and the educated white women voted for Clinton for some reason that overrode their inherent racism? I don't know.

LangCleg · 22/01/2018 09:26

because being religious means you can't be racist at the same time

That's not what I meant. I want to know/understand how evangelical Christianity impacts on patriarchal, homophobic and racist attitudes in the US. Even when it is to the personal detriment of the (white, female) voter.

GuardianLions · 22/01/2018 11:17

sooooo those white women voted for Trump because they are poor and uneducated and not down right racist confused.

What was the motivation of the WOC who voted for Trump in your opinion 80sQueen?

Battleax · 22/01/2018 11:22

You didn't get anything like enough appreciation for yout turf joke jog, but I thought it was funny Smile

ATeardropExplodes · 22/01/2018 11:30

That is fab Jog. Ab Fab.

GuardianLions · 22/01/2018 11:30

BTW, as a Brit, can't say I really understand certain American sensibilities - I always get massive culture shock in the US because American norms are so different from Europeans.

I remember seeing a woman (I think an East Coast 'blue' resident) who always votes Democrat, said she would be voting Trump even though she is not Republican and doesn't like him, but she felt she trusted Hilary Clinton less - she felt that Trump's desperation to be popular meant that the public would be able to influence him more than Hilary... It was more like, better the devil you know...

I didn't get it and I don't get it, but I wasn't swirling in a load of anti-Clinton propaganda in America at the time.

And it is possible that a lot of people of either sex and all ethnic heritages are actually deeply misogynist, even unconsciously and they weren't ready for a woman president, so it was piss easy to succeed in a propaganda war to thwart Clinton... although tbf - even in the face of it all she did still win the popular vote.

SwearyG · 22/01/2018 15:42

And it is possible that a lot of people of either sex and all ethnic heritages are actually deeply misogynist, even unconsciously and they weren't ready for a woman president, so it was piss easy to succeed in a propaganda war to thwart Clinton... although tbf - even in the face of it all she did still win the popular vote

We were discussing this last night. We met some Americans who were here on holiday shortly before the election and were astounded at the anti Clinton stuff they spouted. It seems to me that the misogyny is so deep rooted that even electing a, for want of a better expression, squeaky clean woman president would be a stretch for many. That Hilary had given opinions (how dare she) and made decisions that some disagreed with before made her a write off in many people’s eyes. Trump, of course, isn’t subject to the same scrutiny.

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