Women's marches today

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Lots of fab women (and men and children) marching against Trump in the USA today.
Good to see that they weren't bullied out of wearing their pussy hats either.
abcnews.go.com/US/best-photos-2018-womens-marches/story?id=52471644

I read somewhere that it was only 25% of white women who voted for Trump, given only 50% of people chose to vote.

No, I'm being sarcastic about Monroe calling the pink pussy hats racist considering they were the brain child of a woman of colour. I hadn't even seen your comment.

I think @posie was being sarcastic with that hashtag

The latest transactivist wheeze is to suggest that 'white feminism' is exclusive of women of colour as well as TIMs in order to suggest an ontological equivalence between these groups and effectively appropriate the genuine claim of women of colour to be centred in feminism.

It's clever, you've got to admit. And really fucking annoying.

Yes empress it is. Always has been. Very different experience to the mixed marches with 'women' in the title

Thanks Super.

Twans do like to group WOC with trans women, as if anyone was under the false notion that black women aren't women.

@therealposieparker apologies thought you were talking to me

This whole 'intersectional' thing at the moment is just one huge 'whatabout' in order to shut women up and deflect from the real issues isn't it?

Distract women from talking about their SEX BASED oppression by telling them that their feminism must intersect with a dick.

@ALittleBitOfButter nope it was over 50% of white women. A uncomfortable fact I'm sure but it needs to be acknowledged and addressed not minimised.

@Thehairthebod really? Actually I find quite a few white feminists case in point your comment love to dismiss, minimise and straight up ignore Black women's experiences historically and currently. If we are genuinely talking about women's rights let's own the history of misogyny and racism in relation to Black women. The historical experimentation without anaesthetic on Black female bodies so that you can the medical treatment you have today. The use of the Black woman and Black mans body without consent in Medicinal practice "Henrietta Lacks" . The use of the brown female body to carry children for white Women who can't have children via surrogacy. The fact that despite the gender pay gap, white women still earn more and progress further quicker than brown women in the work place. How about we acknowledge all the benefits that come with being a white female

So while you all self congratulate yourselves at how well your doing in that March J and many of my Brown female friends are wary of the feminist movement and always will be.

There is no question that women of colour are facing disadvantage on both fronts which is exactly why we need a genuinely intersectional analysis.

The term needs to be reclaimed from these parasitic males.

80sQueen I was more referring to the appropriation by men and TIMs of 'intersectional' in order to deflect.

When most of these people use intersectional, they don't really care about black women, but they know that they can appropriate that term to try and centre males in feminism.

@Thehairthebod I agree with your point, if I got a pound for every time WOC and Black People are thrown in as an anecdote to strengthen those arguments I would be very rich. However I think as a Black women I can't just ignore the plight of the Black man, misogyny or not. As the biggest thing both women and men of the Black community have had to deal with historically and currently is Racism. When Black family's were systemically ripped apart, wives and husbands sold separately into slavery, children separated and sold during slavery. Segregation in the US, The Jjm Crow Era, The prison to pipeline system. The journey the Black woman has had to travel and still does us very different so you can't just throw us in the mix for some colour

It's always shocking to see what a huge percentage of white women in the US voted for Trump. But what I'd like to see broken down is how that correlates with the religious right there. If you took out women who are from fundie/evangelical backgrounds, what would the percentages look like?

Not trying to minimise racism in the US - but I think here in the UK we forget what an impact the religious right has.

Perhaps. But I think we should also acknowledge that racism is a thing here in the UK in terms of both domestic and global relations, that woc face a unique combination of oppression, and that mainstream feminism could do a lot more to acknowledge and address this.

I think we should also acknowledge that racism is a thing here in the UK in terms of both domestic and global relations, that woc face a unique combination of oppression, and that mainstream feminism could do a lot more to acknowledge and address this.

Absolutely. You know - real intersectionality. Likewise with class. Feminism shouldn't be a campaigning group for white middle class ladies.

But until we move past the fundamental crisis and erasure of all women that genderists are posing, I don't see how we can begin to even approach it.

Perhaps. But I think we should also acknowledge that racism is a thing here in the UK in terms of both domestic and global relations, that woc face a unique combination of oppression, and that mainstream feminism could do a lot more to acknowledge and address this.

I agree. But what has this got to do with not centering reproductive systems in feminism?

Today is the 1st anniversary of me reaching Peak Trans and starting to read the Feminism chat here. I couldn't believe what I was reading when I stumbled across the TRA response to the marches last year, it felt like a real life The Onion article.

Yes I'd been dubious for a while but the TRA reaction to the Women's March was probably my Peak Trans moment too.

But what has this got to do with not centering reproductive systems in feminism?

I just wanted to be clear that we need to reclaim the concept of intersectionality so we can use it properly, not just to make a rhetorical point.

It's not ok to briefly reference women of colour in order to discredit transactivism, in the same way that it's not ok for TIMs to briefly reference women of colour in order to discredit radical feminism, if nobody doing the referencing has any intention of taking seriously the actual oppressions uniquely faced by women of colour.

But of course female reproductive systems should be centred in women's marches.

@ALittleBitOfButter nope it was over 50% of white women. A uncomfortable fact I'm sure but it needs to be acknowledged and addressed not minimised.

Over 50% of white women who voted - 53% to be exact.

Of those white women with a college education, 51% voted for Clinton, the biggest difference was white women without a college education - 62% voted for trump - by all means, lets talk about the intersection of being poor/uneducated/female and see what might be going on there - but lets not pretend that it's all women's fault - if only women had voted, Clinton would have won, and lets certainly not use this as another stick for 'white middle-class feminism' because it's the working class which drove trump's victory.

Best ever

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Oh Assigned that is perfect!