Cathy Newman and Jordan Petersen on C4 News

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Just on. He was saying that people are different due to ' agreeableness, women being more likely to be so; men less so, hence the gender gap

It's the first time I have ever seen Cathy Newman angry. And he was spluttering a bit, first time for him too, for me, I think.

Watch it on + 1

I agree with some of Petersen's views but he didn't come off at all well here

There's absolutely nothing casual about my comments about your son. The radicalisation of young men online is one of the biggest things we should be worried about and Jordan Peterson is a gateway to the alt right. I'm not saying that to attack you or him. if you want to be offended and pull up the drawbridge that's your business. All I am saying is that is his alt-right fan club is frightening and I would be incredibly worried about a young man getting sucked in.

Thanks for that link HoldMeCloserTonyDanza. Assuming he's as smart as he believes he is, there's no way he would not understand how that will fire up his followers.

However much he might say interesting things, some people seem to be very selective in their critical thinking in going along with what he's saying.

I would be very worried about a teenager reading the way he speaks about Newman (the "flirting" comment and the attacks this morning).

IMO a 17 year old should be able to see that for the sexist bullshit that it is.

I'll share the reddit link again, more prominently, as among the piss-taking of him and his acolytes (well needed when you're dealing with this level of cultish following) there's also the detailed refutations people have been asking for:
www.reddit.com/r/enoughpetersonspam/

I followed Peterson on twitter a year or so ago when he first came to notice with the campus pronoun debate. I stopped last year as was uncomfortable with a lot of his followers- constant unpleassnt sexist remarks from them and i saw him do nothing to reign any of them in.

I’m still interested in what he has to say and wish him well on the forced speech aspect - i just can’t follow him when i see the knuck draggers he attracts.

I'm not sure what to make of exhortations to view loads of videos on the Internet so that we can get to understand things in the right way. When I look at other groups suggesting that, I often step back in alarm.

Yes, it's reading the comments below each of his tweets that really alarms me and that's where my warning about young men is coming from. These are young white middle-class men in their late teens and early twenties.

exactly nauticant there's nothing that sets my alarm bells ringing like someone telling me "watch this 40-minute YouTube video to understand my argument!!"

No thanks!

Part of the interest for me is that he's requiring time and thought and nuance. I'm so tired of people expecting us to agree with their position as expressed in 140 characters.

It's almost like Feminists don't like the idea of an intelligent man trying to make young men better themselves.

At least the tide is turning after years of unchecked nonsense.

Yes, tweeting to Jordan Peterson about how much Newman "wants the D!!" is clearly bettering themselves.

Inspirational!

I have to admit I ran away from this thread.

That tweet from him saying she was flirting, after telling his fans not to threaten her is despicable. The comments afterwards, well if he is proud of that then he is a lowlife.

Totally agree with you Bambambini

"I followed Peterson on twitter a year or so ago when he first came to notice with the campus pronoun debate. I stopped last year as was uncomfortable with a lot of his followers- constant unpleassnt sexist remarks from them and i saw him do nothing to reign any of them in.

I’m still interested in what he has to say and wish him well on the forced speech aspect - i just can’t follow him when i see the knuck draggers he attracts."

The left can be just as cultish, violent and threatening. Furthermore radicalisation is a very emotive word, but relative to what? Abolishing slavery was a radical notion in its day.

The cardinal sin me for me is we have taken a description of a whole and complete human psyche cut it in half and assigned some things masculine and some other things feminine. Then further compounded the problem by denigrating the feminine.

Piled on top of this we pile a pressure upon women by assigning them an intrinsic value as objects (as both child bearers and sex objects). An object does not have agency thus straining against those constraints we get feminism.

Men on the other hand have no intrinsic value (hence why they are often expendable on the battlefield or in industry), but are thus freed up to have more agency/choice to get on with life on their own terms. Those who fail languish at the bottom.

It's easy to see how either a man or a woman popping their eyes over to the other side of the fence can feel hard done by. Women have by and large yearned for more freedom and agency, whereas a man at the bottom whom has failed may view the intrinsic value women possess as preferable, and end up resenting women for that.

People talk about birth rates declining, and how that is such a terrible shame but given the risks that women have to run each and everytime they do it what I am fearing is a lot of thought shifting towards control of women's fertility and thus women themselves.

*Yes, tweeting to Jordan Peterson about how much Newman "wants the D!!" is clearly bettering themselves.

Inspirational*

Some eejit on the internet said she wants the D? Oh the absolute horror! Fucksakes I've seen footballers get death threats for missing penalties.

The 'abuse' angle is an attempt at diversion from the skelping she got.

I have no interest whatsoever in going down a reddit / youtube comments rabbit hole, in the same way I have no inclination to read over and over comments by TRA's, racists etc etc. That is a complete waste of time and really tells you very little about anything other than there are crazy people out there who are a waste of your energy. A bit like the wrestling with a pig analogy.

The flirting comment regarding CN - see if she had nailed him to the cross in that interview he might well have made the same flirting comment. I see it as a joke about the nature of conflict between men and women, and again and it's quite obvious he doesn't know how to handle that. I will have a look at the latest twatter stuff but I do think there is victimising CN in all of this which is a poor show from feminists to be perfectly honest. She has herself said she enjoyed the interview and journalists come unstuck at times - it's part of the job.

It's fairly obvious that JP appears baffled and a little ignorant when dealing with women and whether this is genuine or not I think it's something that throws up a red flag for me.

As far as indoctrinating young men - where and what is his 'doctrine'? I don't see any dangerous ideas being put forward. I have listened to a few lectures through his website (podcasts) and a seen a few interviews with him through respected media outlets though so maybe I have missed some of his more extreme views.

www.independent.co.uk/voices/cathy-newman-abuse-channel-4-jordan-peterson-metoo-backlash-latest-a8170031.html

Another Pulitzer winging its way to Indy Towers

In mainstream media interviews, Peterson will repeatedly express bafflement that his following is so alt-right. How could it be happening? It's so confusing to him!

The thing is, this is very difficult to believe, because he ALSO makes a habit (as he did just five hours ago) of retweeting anti-semitic conspiracy theorists like this: imgur.com/a/9W6it

That profile is also full of anime pornography. Weird that doesn't conflict with his "self-improvement" talk - almost like that's bullshit he doesn't mean!

It's like it's hard to believe he doesn't want his army of morons to harass people, when he repeatedly doxxes students who don't agree with him and directs his flying monkeys towards the profiles of (usually female) people who disagree with him (examples here here and here and here. Oh and here)

It's almost like people are wise to the old attack the man, not the message.

Wow that is a bad article...and it seems like all the comments below it agree that it's very poor. Pantomime villain - oh dear

However, opinion seems divided over the interview. I was just really disappointed that she didn't do some research and ask him about something like, I dunno, the trans rights issue. Seems like a really obvious and interesting place to start and it's also relevant and newsworthy.

Or she maybe could have addressed his religious beliefs which surprised me, as he is a clinical psychologist (said in the manner of a pantomime villain?!)

She could have addressed the issue of his online followers and trolling. She could have asked how he feels about Trump and his use of 'fake news' and tweets. That is another thing that doesn't sit well with me - he does seem to have some 'quirks'

I understand that there are issues with JP but as someone said previously the way you deal with that is to talk and listen more not less

I thinking that talking and listening to likes to Peterson, Yiannopolis and their fellow-travellers is what has led us to the far-right infestation of the status quo (especially in the US, and we need to learn from their example).

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The days of labelling everyone far right to discredit their views is over. Folk aren't stupid.

“Why is this guy retweeting anti-Semites?”

“How dare you attack the man?!”

Sorry. I’ll stick to delicate agreeable questioning of his idea that the mainstream media is a Marxist conpiracy against him.

Racist, anti Semite, bigot etc are becoming meaningless terms now. People are wise to it.

Thankfully, here on the feminist board I think we still know a misogynist when we see one.

Don’t link to neo Nazis talking about “kikes” if you don’t want to be called an anti-Semite. Don’t link to Daily fucking Caller articles about “black rioters” if you don’t want to be called racist. And don’t say journalists who disagree with you are flirting with you and lying about harassment if you don’t want to be called a sexist piece of shit.