Cathy Newman and Jordan Petersen on C4 News

[AssignedPuuurfectAtBirth]

Just on. He was saying that people are different due to ' agreeableness, women being more likely to be so; men less so, hence the gender gap

It's the first time I have ever seen Cathy Newman angry. And he was spluttering a bit, first time for him too, for me, I think.

Watch it on + 1

I agree with some of Petersen's views but he didn't come off at all well here

[AntArcticFox]

Tsk tsk, Lee.

So what you are saying is that you are happy to overlook Nazism if a Youtuber agrees with you..😉


I find Peterson not that interesting apart from his flinty, rather Albertan, refusal to have his language restricted by authority. He seems to talk a lot about Jung and quests and such like, interesting to a younger generation perhaps but no longer my cup of tea.

[makeourfuture]

When did all of this rhetorical analysis come about? It's like hundreds of John Maddens out there, just without the magic marker.

Regarding this particular person's critique - she outs herself pretty early on doesn't she? I have yet to be convinced that, and I have watched the interview, that Cathy performed poorly. It just is what it is today.

The technique is easy, there is no great skill required - you rephrase the other person's statement, and on the other side, you answer a different question from what was asked. But good lord the punditry.

[AntArcticFox]

It's the wonder of YouTubing isn't it.

In the politics subsection it's modern pamphleteering.

[AntArcticFox]

Makeourfuture, I agree that Newman's boring technique is the norm today but I hope we may be seeing a pushback (see also John Bolton taking Burley to task on Sky, though he blundered in calling her a munchkin.."lightweight" would have worked.)

I now turn off the majority of interviews, R 4 Today is the weathervane for me: I hardly listen any more. If I learn nothing by the end it's a waste of time.

[birdseye2010]

I have yet to be convinced that, and I have watched the interview, that Cathy performed poorly.

she was constructing strawmen frequently. She would frequently make claims that JP said something that he didn't say. She would also seemingly summarise some of his points, but then completely change his point. I think she simply tried to caricature his positions, while JP would frequently answer that's not my position. That makes for a poor interview, and certainly (at least in my head) doesn't further her goal of asking tough questions and locating where his positions are weak. When the opportunities to ask hard questions presented themselves, she didn't use them.

[AttillaThePun]

I’ve watched half the interview so far and all I can think of is Cathy Newman going, “so you’re saying...”

[birdseye2010]

2+7 = 9 - but only in the realm of rational numbers.

huh? when is that not true?

protons, neutrons and electrons are not the smallest particles of the universe- we now have quarks.

people and scientists can be wrong, and I don't know the history of science, but I imagine it was never claimed that protons are the smallest possible particles.

[applecatchers36]

Interesting article about innate neurological differences coukd be due to evolution?
www.bps.org.uk/news-and-policy/sex-differences-human-brain-structure-are-already-apparent-one-month-age

[AssassinatedBeauty]

I would imagine that everything about our brains and bodies generally is due to evolution.

It's more fodder for people who want to justify discrimination against women, sadly.

[keetee]

I think Petersons'arguements are quite compelling. He looked at Sweden where equality was most pushed and there are fewer women in STEM and more in caring. His explanation is that the more free choice there is the more people will choose gender stereotyped jobs.Which I don;t think he thinks is a good thing for society in general for obvious reasons. He says in poorer countries more women choose engineering for example because they HAVE to go for best pay. His analysis is based on statistical methods and hes not saying all men are this and all women that. I've always agreed with Germains view- fuck equality- which seems to imply we have to accept the world as it is rather than reshape it. Men and women are different biologically why shouldn;t we be different in other ways. I used to accept the patriarchy ideology but these transactivists have made me question some long held views. He does have a big MRA following. But what hes telling them is very positive- to be responsible and see to their duties and to develop their character. We wouldn't have many problems as women with the men if they did that! And its a message these spoiled brat trans like Liam could do with hearing. I.ve left the labour party because of this issue. It seems socialism has a serious problem with free speech. I didn't want that to be true.