This is shocking...man who has killed three partners

[QuentinSummers]

I heard it on the news and though he had been caught for one murder and admitted two more
But no. He killed his first wife in 1981 and served time for manslaughter.
Second wife was killed in 1993 and again he served time for manslaughter on the grounds of diminished responsibility.
He killed his latest partner, Angela, in 2016 and has finally been convicted of murder.

Why was nothing done to protect women from this monster? It says he was stalking her. Why wasn't she protected from him?

I'm so distressed by this. Men are up in arms about "false accusations ruining lives" and meanwhile men like this are out there killing women.
amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/jan/02/man-pleads-guilty-murdering-ex-girlfriend-angela-best-theodore-johnson

I read that earlier, cant believe he was let out the first time after doing it.

Why was nothing done to protect women from this monster?

Just a domestic, innit? Not like a real murder of say, a man, but just his partner and everyone knows that women drive men to kill them. And these women chose to be be with him, even though he had killed before, so they almost deserve it. (All this according to the knowers of all the things on Twitter, but I think it's a fair précis of common beliefs about domestic killers)

I really think they need to remove the word 'Domestic' from the police service's vocabulary. It just isn't taken seriously at all which is fucking shit.

It's almost unbelievable that he was repeatedly let out despite the risk he poses to women.

Why was nothing done to protect women from this monster? It says he was stalking her. Why wasn't she protected from him?

Because that is how strong the myths and stories about women "nagging" men etc etc etc are. It's so so so depressing and makes me seethe with impotent rage.

I'm also horrified he served just 2 years for the second killing

I was driving home tonight and heard it on the radio and actually couldn't believe what I was hearing! I googled it as soon as I got in. He killed 3 women but was only found guilty of murder with the final one. How is this even possible?

Over and over again that man has chosen brutal, life destroying violence. Over and over again, the patriarchal system has normalised that violence. It has minimized it, excused it (thinking back to another thread about the excuses trotted out in the media) and justified it, enabling him to make that choice.

Rape culture and toxic masculinity aren't vague or implicit: it is definitive and explicit. It is what allows for, and encourages, those choices.

My love and solidarity are with those women and their families tonight.

It’s horrific, isn’t it?

Earlier, the top three stories on the BBC News website earlier were all sexism-focussed.

After this one, there was one about a footballer convicted of assaulting his girlfriend, where the judge said: “It is not that simple in domestic violence, they are in a relationship and presumable in love, yet this young lady has been shown a significant degree of violence.” On that basis, and his previous good character, she decided that he would not receive a custodial sentence. (Yes, the judge was a woman, disappointingly). Having just read about this multiple murderer, those words are extra horrifying.

On a far less serious issue, the third story was the one about the Virgin trains tweet, where a woman objected to being called “Honey” by a member of staff in a mildly confrontational exchange and was ridiculed by Virgin on twitter. The men of twitter and facebook are working themselves into a lather, mansplaining that sexism is all in our pretty little heads.

I really think they need to remove the word 'Domestic' from the police service's vocabulary. It just isn't taken seriously at all which is fucking shit

I doubt very much that any police force refers to "domestics". This is terrible but this is not the fault of the police service.

I remember reading a year or two ago about a man who was given some kind of order, despite not having been convicted, that said he had to notify police if he intended to have sex within the next 24 hours. I think there were also other specifics to do with him not having a phone with internet access. If that can be done for someone who hasn’t been convicted of anything why on earth can they not have a register and specific orders made restricting movement of people who have killed and are now living free? Things like informing police of relationships so that the police can fully inform the new partner and perhaps regular check ins with the partner, suplying her with relevant support numbers/services and advice on what she should look out for and get help for.

An old one:
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1510205/Lawyer-jailed-for-killing-wife-tells-of-shame-and-remorse.html

In prison for 19 months, also thanks to diminished responsibility. The bonus from being convicted of manslaughter (rather than murder) is that you inherit your dead spouse's wealth!

I doubt very much that any police force refers to "domestics". This is terrible but this is not the fault of the police service.

My brother has just retired from the police, he uses the word 'domestic'.

I find this case really terrifying. Why wasnt he given a whole life tarif the second time?

Crome yellow I didn’t know that about manslaughter and inheritance, that’s horrendous. How do you know that’s true?

The reason I find this so terrifying is because I left a violent partner (long time ago) and he had some behaviours that I now know are indicators of fatal violence. At the time though, when I first started to voice the problems I had with those around me, friends and family, a typical response was that he wouldn’t kill me/hurt me. “Well he won’t kill you!” “Don’t be silly, he won’t you/your child” this is odd because he had already hurt me on purpose and DS by accident (drunk) This is interesting because of course the only way to find out if he would kill me was to wait around and see. At no point did anyone say to get out of there just in case - to err on the side of caution - so strong was the urge to give HIM the benefit of the doubt.

If it hadn’t been for the fact I had a friend who had escaped domestic violence herself, who encouraged me to take it seriously and make plans to leave I think it’s possible that he would have killed me and also our small DS.

I feel this case is another piece in the puzzle of societal wilful blindness towards the reality of male violence. The urge to ignore how dangerous men operate seems so strong. It’s ignored in law, social policy, legislation and justice. If there can be a sex offenders register why not a dangerous partner register?

There’s another thread about a day of remembrance for women and children murdered by intimate partners, I think that would really help change things too.

I doubt very much that any police force refers to "domestics". This is terrible but this is not the fault of the police service.

I liaise with the police on a daily basis. They definitely do.

You get the odd few officers who are excellent when it comes to DV but sadly it isn't the norm.

This is absolutely horrific. I read somewhere that he threw himself in front of a train after killing his last partner. He lost both arms but he’s still alive. There is no justice in the world. Sick of the violence perpetrated against women. Sick of men putting makeup on and claiming to know the struggle. NO. You have no idea.

How on earth can throwing some one off the 9th floor of a building ever be considered manslaughter? How? There can have been no doubt in his mind that such a drop would kill her.

That's insane. I read that this had happened but they didn't give all the details.

But then there was a case last year where a man slit a woman's throat from behind but claimed self defence.

I would imagine it's the usual story where this man has said he didn't mean to do it, he was provoked by something she said/did/looked like, he was of previous good character etc etc. All typical explanations that seem to be given great weight when given in defence of murdering a woman.

'DV' stands for 'domestic violence'. That often used to be shortened to 'a domestic', which is why the acronym DV was introduced instead. Maybe its time to look for another name.

Its easy to blame the victim for DV because she agreed to let him in to her home. Its less easy to see how violent men get away with stalking and murdering women and children who have left them, but apparently it upsets them. And causes them to lose face and self control.

Its easy to blame the victim for DV because she agreed to let him in to her home. Its less easy to see how violent men get away with stalking and murdering women and children who have left them, but apparently it upsets them. And causes them to lose face and self control.

You can't win as an abused woman. Either you're weak and choosing to be a victim/putting your kids in danger etc by not leaving him, or driving the poor man to more violence by leaving him.

I really think they need to remove the word 'Domestic' from the police service's vocabulary. It just isn't taken seriously at all which is fucking shit

How the fuck is this the fault of the police?