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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Can someone help me argue this on twitter

33 replies

catgirl1976 · 28/12/2017 17:56

In light of the Lewis Hamilton furore I posted a picture of my son in his princess dress with something along the lines of let's stop gendering 'stuff' and let kids be kids.

I've now found myself in a twitter row with someone who says by referring to my child as my son I have 'gendered' him.

Apparently 'boy' is not the same as male and is a gendered term.

Am I losing my mind or does boy simply mean 'a male child'?

I should just step away from the keyboard but it's doing my head in.

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GuardianLions · 28/12/2017 17:58

boy is the term for a male child- it describes his sex not his gender

catgirl1976 · 28/12/2017 18:02

Thank you Guardian

I've been saying this but apparently 'boy' is a gendered term

I've said it refers to sex many times. I've pointed out we use terms like 'colt' and 'filly' to denote the sex of foals and that foals no more have gender than they do a view on Brexit.

It's getting me nowhere.

I should disengage but I keep getting drawn back in.

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BelaLugosisShed · 28/12/2017 18:02

No argument needed, he was born male, so he’s a boy, nobody in real life would even think to question this fact .

catgirl1976 · 28/12/2017 18:03

Thank you

You know when you are so far down the rabbit hole you start wondering if you are losing you're mind?

Glad to know I'm not.

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ATeardropExplodes · 28/12/2017 18:03

'Young male human' wearing a dress. Let kids be kids.

DamnDeDoubtanceIsSpartacus · 28/12/2017 18:09

Conservatives want your personality/gender to match your sex.

Genderists want to change your sex to match your personality'gender.

I think you are advocating for letting kids choose what they like, this would be healthy.

MongerTruffle · 28/12/2017 18:11

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Can someone help me argue this on twitter
Can someone help me argue this on twitter
catgirl1976 · 28/12/2017 18:12

He was two when he wore princess dresses. He had no concept of bloody gender, he just liked the nice dress and I was happy for him to wear it. He doesn't wear it now but I'd have no issue if he did, other than worrying he might get bullied but that would be a different issue.

Wouldn't make him a girl though. Or a princess.

I'm just banging my head on my keyboard at the idea 'boy' and 'son' have any other meaning than 'male child'

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catgirl1976 · 28/12/2017 18:13

I'll post that Monger. I'm not sure it will make much difference. You can't argue with wilful obstinance I guess.

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MongerTruffle · 28/12/2017 18:17

*You can't argue with wilful obstinance I guess."

Can someone help me argue this on twitter
catgirl1976 · 28/12/2017 18:18
Grin
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MrsDoylesPumpkinSpiceLatte · 28/12/2017 18:23

People will get into arguments about literally anything on Twitter particularly regarding gender issues, I can't believe some of the things people will swear to be absolutely true, I think half of them must be bots or trolls.
Don't engage, they're just not worth it.

NotSupposedtobeHere · 28/12/2017 18:24

A lot of this crap is because people keep mixing up sex and gender.

Just keep repeating

Sex = biological body

Gender = socially constructed roles

Gender is an oppressive hierarchy

Datun · 28/12/2017 18:25

Tell them they are confusing masculine, which is gender, with boy which is the male sex.

catgirl1976 · 28/12/2017 18:26

I've not had a reply since I asked what a boy was if not a young, human male.

Which is good for my blood pressure ;)

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Datun · 28/12/2017 18:27

Excellent.

catgirl1976 · 28/12/2017 18:35

Oh they are back

Conversation has gone thus;

ME; A boy is a male child. A female child cannot be a boy. A boy is not a Role, a costume or a feeling. It's. A. Male. Child. Nothing more nothing less.

THEM; The thing you just said is not possible is the very definition of transgender. Multiple full stops are not going to make you any less wrong I’m afraid.

ME; Boy refers to the male sex. The definition of a boy is a male child. Boy has nothing to do with gender. Sex = biological body. Gender = socially constructed roles. Gender is an oppressive hierarchy.

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MrsDoylesPumpkinSpiceLatte · 28/12/2017 18:53

Although I've not yet put my head over the Twitter parapet, I just don't have the energy to argue with people who believe that up is down. I'd be too tempted to just say 'Do you really actually believe the things you're writing? Please explain how it makes sense to you?'

That person's response calls them out for what they are: you say a boy is not a role, they say that is the very definition of transgender, thus proving your point.

WhereYouLeftIt · 28/12/2017 18:53

Hmm, I see they are a they/them. Honestly, don't waste your time, they're bored and looking for an argument.

Always best to not engage with that type. It pisses them off.

catgirl1976 · 28/12/2017 18:56

you're right - they are a loon

I will disengage

Thanks for reminding me that I'm not actually insane ;0

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MentholBreeze · 28/12/2017 19:02

Yep, you've been clear, you've been polite, disengage.

I, too, have a lovely picture of my youngest in his fairy costume, casually waiting at the bus stop.

#Letkidsbekids

EamonnWright · 28/12/2017 19:05

You're far too nice tbh. Not on Twitter often as there's not enough space to type the rubbish I do but the Gendercriticaldad(?) guy was always pretty spot on I found.

catgirl1976 · 28/12/2017 19:09

Ah they are so cute like that Menthol

Sadly DS has outgrown his dress so I will disengage with twitter loons and build some lego with him instead ;0

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Mumof56 · 28/12/2017 19:10

A female

Hmm
DamnDeDoubtanceIsSpartacus · 28/12/2017 19:18

Just tell them they are entitled to their religious beliefs and magical thinking but must learn not to push it on other people.

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