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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Question about equality

85 replies

wnsdkfl · 29/11/2017 21:19

For a long time, me and my friend used to discuss about the women's rights for a long time. Being the devil's advocate, I would try to prolong the talk for arguments' sake. But then, it slowly developed into a solid argument (in my opinion). Now I am curious what you all think about my thoughts. If you're willing, can we start a civil discussion?

There are many problems that females face, and there are many problems that males face. Many major groups of rights activists easily overlook, ignore, and deny the other side’s problems and arguments and continue to press on their side of the argument. This happens because of their personal benefit. It is convenient for them (let it be males or females) to have more rights in the future, so the rights activists continue to struggle to this day. I believe that it is necessary for people to open up and reach an agreement that men and women are to be equal, and that they all are entitled to a power to reach an agreement in deciding the distribution of the rights, merits, and responsibilities within the society.

If people want to argue that men and women have the same capabilities, then should the responsibilities of each sex be distributed 50% each? If so, should 50% of the fathers in child custody issues be given a chance to take care of the baby? Should there be no required economic support from the fathers’ side with the assumptions that women are equally capable?

For the wage difference between males and females, is it appropriate to take the maternity leave and other vacancy of the working forces due to some other inevitable female burdens into account when we look into their wages? If so, do we pay them for their times away from work as well? If not, how will you take this approach?

What is the limit that you all are comfortable to set and say that “this is equal” to everyone? Is your ideals for equality something that is entirely 50:50, or something that is derived from each sex’s “roles” within the society? Is it a mix of both? Or is it something entirely different? Do women need more rights over men because in the past, it was other way around? I am very curious.

When confronting these questions, it is very important to question yourself if you are arguing for sake of your own convenience. If you are going to make an emotional appeal for your argument, take into account what the opposite sex will go through emotionally when something similar happens to them. If you are going to make a statistical report, question the source’s biasness from their research, as it is easy to remove the parts that are inconvenient for them and still tell the truth. It will be truly hard to argue in a impartial manner.

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LassWiTheDelicateAir · 29/11/2017 22:17

Yes and they were slightly sticky.

You can't beat a Tunnock's tea cake.

Rufustherenegadereindeer1 · 29/11/2017 22:19

Yes lass

Lemon puffs big ? Do they still do them?

Fucking obvious name!!! Doh!!!

birdsdestiny · 29/11/2017 22:19

I know they are not biscuits but wispas are bloody tiny these days.

Rufustherenegadereindeer1 · 29/11/2017 22:20

I bought some lemon puffs today, hadn't seen them in ages, and just noticed them in waitrose. BUT...they are not the same! They use to be golden-dark brown, with really puffy biscuit, almost like puff pastry, and the filling was really lemony. Now they are like to ordinary biscuits, sandwiched together with a bland, over-sweet, mildly lemon paste.

Just found this on mumsnet Grin

annandale · 29/11/2017 22:21

Like a sandwich Rufus? IIRC the puffy bit wasn't as nice as it should have been which let them down a bit.

Rufustherenegadereindeer1 · 29/11/2017 22:21

I do like a nice teacake

I have to eat the chocolate off first

MrsDoylesBodybags · 29/11/2017 22:22

And now I want a Tunnocks Teacake too

Rufustherenegadereindeer1 · 29/11/2017 22:22

annadale

Yeah like a sandwich...i just remember them being really lemony

wnsdkfl · 29/11/2017 22:24

Thank you DJBaggySmalls for your proper response. I am from Korea and that place lacks the 50:50 child custody.
I was basing off part of my questions because Korean government has already established a Ministry of the Gender Equality and Family, and despite what the name says, it has been bombarded with issues and complaints of inequality and being too powerful.

Also, for those who have already disagreed with the questions, I am asking this after doing research on both side's argument.
Of course I am not questioning the fact that issues like women being murdered by their male partners are happening. However, the current focus from the media gathers people's attentions to the issues that females have a lot more than the issues that males have and therefore not as much effort goes into improving the other gender's problems. Other than that, there is nothing wrong with improving our safety.

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Ginmakesitallok · 29/11/2017 22:25

A caramel log. Now that's a good biscuit.

Ginmakesitallok · 29/11/2017 22:27

WON'T SOMEONE THINK ABOUT THE MENZ? ????

Rufustherenegadereindeer1 · 29/11/2017 22:27

wns

Your post is just a lot of questions

What do you think

Rufustherenegadereindeer1 · 29/11/2017 22:27

gin whats a caramel log

Have you made that up Hmm

wnsdkfl · 29/11/2017 22:29

Yes, this is indeed a lot of questions. Is there a problem?

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LassWiTheDelicateAir · 29/11/2017 22:32

Have you made that up

No it is another Tunnock's creation. They are lovely. Caramel wafer covered in chocolate and toasted caramel. It might be a Scottish thing.

LassWiTheDelicateAir · 29/11/2017 22:33

Toasted coconut, not toasted caramel

Rufustherenegadereindeer1 · 29/11/2017 22:33

Yes

There are a lot of clever women on here (not me...I literally just come here for the biscuits)

And they are more than happy to debate these issues but not just answer a bunch of questions

So what do you think should happen in a divorce if we want full equality?

birdsdestiny · 29/11/2017 22:33

No there is a caramel log thing. Chewy.

Ginmakesitallok · 29/11/2017 22:33

www.tunnock.co.uk/products/caramel-log/

QueenLaBeefah · 29/11/2017 22:34

Could everyone stop talking about Tunnocks tea cakes - I had to ban them from the house after I ate six in one sitting.

Rufustherenegadereindeer1 · 29/11/2017 22:34

lass

Aaaah i see

I lived in scotland for 7 years but was very little

My mum loved tunnocks teacakes...are they primarily scottish? Or northern

LassWiTheDelicateAir · 29/11/2017 22:35

Other than that, there is nothing wrong with improving our safety

If by "our" you mean men then the remedy is in your own hands. There are violent women but they are a tiny proportion of the population of any country.

Rufustherenegadereindeer1 · 29/11/2017 22:35

Ive had one of those caramel things

But not the log

DJBaggySmalls · 29/11/2017 22:36

It sounds like men are annoyed that women are getting equality. Its irrelevant what help women get. Its got nothing to do with men or their problems.
Its up to men to decide which problems they face and then work out how to deal with them; instead of complaining about what help women get.

I cant speak about the situation in Korea as I dont know much; except women are told to smile so much at work they get plastic surgery to make their smile permanent.
Hopefully that will change.

LassWiTheDelicateAir · 29/11/2017 22:36

Tunnock's Snowballs - food of the gods (and godesses)