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If you regularly think "not ANOTHER trans thread"

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Jenala · 27/11/2017 08:28

Please give this excellent blog post a read.

I'm still getting my head around the issue and this post really sets out the concerns really clearly.

Apologies if it has already been posted and I've missed it. Could potentially put the post in this thread if needed?

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Datun · 27/11/2017 22:52

@Datun, speaking from experience, the phase when you think you should accept it and stay with them is the worst.

You know what? That’s probably true of a lot of issues in relationships. Abusive husbands, emotionally coercive husbands, lazy husbands.

Where you just throw up your hands, realise how much you have invested and just think oh fuck it, better in than out, right?

It takes tremendous courage and relentless heartache to leave.

I’m really glad you did x

Datun · 27/11/2017 22:53

And kudos to your counsellor.

TinselAngel · 28/11/2017 06:28

More than 4 years on I can't believe I ever considered staying. There were couples he knew who were supposed to be staying together but I don't know how any of them turned out.

Considering transition always seems to involve acting like a spoiled teenager, I can't imagine it.

Ereshkigal · 28/11/2017 08:34

He's just having his girl puberty that he was deprived of. That's the sort of bullshit I see people come out with online Angry

Flowers to all the women here affected by this.

TinselAngel · 28/11/2017 11:46

Because girl puberty is such fun!

Lancelottie · 28/11/2017 11:59

It probably is fun if you miss out all the inconvenient biological bits of it.

I think I'll have a nice non-spotty, non-period-pained, non-flooding, non-greasy girl puberty now, in fact, where I wear random clothes and slam doors a lot.

bluewoollyhat · 28/11/2017 18:58

Flowers to emily and tinsel and the others directed affected by this. I can’t imagine what I’d do in that situation and I hope there are better days ahead for you

TinselAngel · 28/11/2017 19:14

Thanks @bluewoollyhat but four years on I'm fine. Although it was beyond terrible at the time.

It's not great for my daughter but the full effects of that remain to be seen.

I'm happy to chat to @EmilyHowardsWife or anybody else who is currently in the same position.

Thelilywhite · 28/11/2017 19:16

Same from me. FlowersAlso thanks for coming on the thread to share.

TinselAngel · 28/11/2017 19:59

Just read my posts back and realised I've kept repeating myself! Sorry, I wasn't drunk honest! Just didn't read back before posting.

motmot · 28/11/2017 20:22

I know a couple where the man has come out as trans and initially they stayed together, they have children. As the years went by she disappeared more and more.and they have since divorced. I still see the TIM and out of courtesy use female pronouns. She's a lovely, kind and thoughtful person but it's amazing to see how this has consumed her life, to the exclusion of her children and ex wife.

I think of the ex wife often and hope she's ok.

irretating · 28/11/2017 21:17

I'm a newcomer to the party, I read a thread over in AIBU then jumped over here, and I've spent a huge amount of time on various blogs just reading. Bloody buggering hell is pretty much where I'm at.

www.newstatesman.com/politics/feminism/2016/05/what-gender-anyway

I thought this was a very good article and has one of the best summing ups I've seen of the issue with gender identity and self identification.

The widely embraced “inherent gender” explanation holds that there is such a property as gender identity, which every individual has, entirely separately from socialised gender roles, which only some people will be conscious of, and of which the individual is the ultimate arbiter. This is in every regard an extraordinary claim. As analytic philosopher Rebecca Reilly-Cooper has explained, it is also an incoherent claim, because there is no standard by which anyone’s assertions about their own gender can be disproven: “If we’re unwilling to allow that an individual can ever be mistaken about their gender identity, if we’re unwilling to allow that there might be any objective criteria at all about what it means to be a man or a woman, then claims to identify as a man or a woman become unintelligible.” If no one can say what it means to be a man other than to feel like one, what does it mean to feel like a man?

What I'm getting from this is by their own internal logic, TIMs are not women because their own internal logic denies womanhood as an objective reality.

birdbandit · 28/11/2017 21:38

Hello,

To the other Trans Widows, please do PM me if you want to chat, it's all a bit grim isn't it!

My DH was hideous for a couple of years, full on pink fog. At the moment he is saying he isn't interested in being a woman anymore, but I don't know the truth, he is away a lot and lies. He is also not interested in me/sex etc. It's a bit of an eggshell dance.

I don't bother to try and check/find out if he is up to tricks.

Like you I have kids, no career but I am trying hard to fix the latter, getting my ducks in a row for the next episode.

Unmumsnetty hugs for you all.

birdbandit · 28/11/2017 21:41

To Emily, the Dick Emery thing is spot on, made me chuckle.

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