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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Transgender weightlifter named to NZ weightlifting squad

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pisacake · 24/11/2017 03:24

www.newshub.co.nz/home/sport/2017/11/transgender-weightlifting-laurel-hubbard-named-new-zealand-s-commonwealth-games-team.html

Yes, it's Laurel Hubbard and he will compete in the new 90kg weight category, which was introduced to bring equality with men's weightlifting.

twitter.com/iwfnet/status/779943108721176576
"Technical Rule modification accepted by the IWF EB: the new women bodyweight category is 90kg,+90kg and 75kg,+75kg for youth #genderbalance"

So equal that it's being competed in by a man.

Oh, and the old heavyweight female lifter has been forced to lose 17kg to compete in the

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pisacake · 24/11/2017 14:41

Here is a list of trans cheats here:

www.wnd.com/2017/03/female-athletes-crushed-by-women-who-were-once-men/

"Jillian Bearden" adult-transitioned man. "

Third-place competitor said

"“I’m sure [Bearden] had a rough go at it. It’s very difficult to be transgender. But [when it comes to racing], it’s problematic to me that she [transitioned] only a couple years ago, and has lived 30 years as a man. Regardless of testosterone levels, she’s got muscle memory and a lung capacity that I could never build up. She was a Cat 1 as a male. I could never match a pro man. How fair is that to her female competitors?”"

People need to learn to STOP respecting these cheats pronouns, given that they don't respect women's sport.

"Gabrielle Ludwig, 50, who was born Robert, joined the women’s basketball team at Mission College in Santa Clara, California, in 2012.

Ludwig is 6 feet, 6 inches tall and weighs 220 pounds.

On Nov. 30, 2012, a judge awarded Ludwig a new birth certificate designating him a “female.”

Ludwig played on the women’s team even though he was a male college basketball player in 1980 for Nassau Community College. According to Community College Athletic Association bylaws, a student may only play for two years. But the athletic association made an exception for Ludwig, so he could play as a woman."

Transgender Savannah Burton, born a male, used to play on a male dodgeball team. But Burton, a Canadian, transitioned and now plays on a professional women’s dodgeball team. In 2015, Burton competed in the world championship.

Burton, as a male, threw balls so hard that they would bounce off opponents’ chests with a loud noise.

Now, he claims he throws more like a girl.

“Now, a lot of people are catching those balls,” Burton said. “So it’s kind of frustrating that way.”

Burton has also competed in a female rowing competition.

Transgender Catherine McGregor, born a male, is a cricket player on a Canberra, Australia, women’s team. In late 2016, McGregor said he wanted to play in the Women’s Big Bash League.

“I have been pleasantly surprised because there was always the fear that the haters out there would say I don’t deserve to play in the women’s competition because I was born male,” McGregor, 60, said. “It hasn’t happened though, and I have had all sorts of messages.

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DJBaggySmalls · 24/11/2017 14:42

Viviennemary Fri 24-Nov-17 14:24:36
He hasn't broken the women's record because he isn't a woman.

You couldn't make this up.

WhereYouLeftIt · 24/11/2017 14:49

There's also Hannah Mouncey, Australian Rules Football, a contact sport. Mouncey is over 6' and 15 stones. Ineligible for this years draft, but left open for the future.

www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/afl/afl-rules-hannah-mouncey-ineligible-for-draft/news-story/49f7a134e3cf0669676d732477de1029

BoreOfWhabylon · 24/11/2017 15:11

An illuminating piece on Hubbard

gendertrender.wordpress.com/2017/03/21/new-zealand-man-gavin-laurel-hubbard-sweeps-womens-weightlifting-competition/

And the pictures! Hubbard dwarfs the women competitors.

This is a very tall, very heavy biological male, with full male skeletal structure, musculature and cardiovascular and respiratory systems, who didn't 'transition' until he was in his 30s.

Also a cheat in other ways, using money and influence to buy hs way on to,the squad.

Oh, this bit was v v interesting

Hubbard is the son of cereal magnate and former Auckland mayor Dick Hubbard, best known for his position against allowing gay people to marry or raise their own biological children.

TheGoalIsToStayOutOfTheHole · 24/11/2017 15:12

You know, I was sure that the sports issue would wake up a lot of people to this. However, on the rare occasion someone dares broach this topic anywhere except on MN...there are loads of replies along the 'but Caster Semenya' lines. Which is interesting as these same people moaned about Semenya being able to compete with women to start with as apparently it was unfair, but its now fine to bring her up as support of a trans argument. Now, with intersex people its a bit more difficult granted (and I do think it should be decided on a case by case basis), but WHY bring up an intersex athlete to support non intersex males competing against females? Its nothing alike, at all.

Mind, if puberty blockers and rapists in female prisons, and Jenner being woman of the year, were not enough to wake people up to this ridiculousness, then why would sport be really. Its only going to be if theres a transwoman beating the Williams sisters in tennis or something that people might start actually caring...'normal' women, who cares about them eh

MrsKnightley · 24/11/2017 15:19

I am looking forward to identifying as disabled, with my two healthy arms and legs and my healthy body. So looking forward to beating all those cis-paralympians with their cis privilege. Who are they to tell me what it is to be disabled? I feel disabled, I even bought myself some disability aids so I can pass.

Gold for me!!

pisacake · 24/11/2017 15:41

Apparently the women Hubbard beat three times in a row has been suspended for a possible triamcinolone acetonide violation. www.iwf.net/2017/11/07/public-disclosure-89/

This was prescribed to Bradley Wiggins supposedly for asthma. It's a corticosteroid and shouldn't be performance-enhancing for bodybuilding but I'm not an expert. Perhaps she was desperate at continually being beaten by a man?

Meanwhile Hubbard cheats with absolute impunity.

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WhereYouLeftIt · 24/11/2017 15:48

MrsKnightly, I'm afraid you'll have to get in the queue. Transabled is a real thing Sad.
www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/chloe-jennings-white_n_3625033
fellowshipoftheminds.com/2015/06/02/transgender-is-so-yesterday-meet-transabled/

I can't remember if it's mentioned in these articles, but I seem to remember that Chloe Jennings-White is transgender as well as transabled.

pisacake · 24/11/2017 15:57

Yeah he used to be called Clive gendertrender.wordpress.com/2012/02/01/national-geographic-taboo-fake-paraplegic-chloe-jennings-white/

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BeyondAssignation · 24/11/2017 16:21

I was telling my mum about this earlier and she 1. Got rather passionate about it and 2. told me about the report into prisons that she had seen this week (yay dr nic!)

Gingernaut · 24/11/2017 16:32

However, on the rare occasion someone dares broach this topic anywhere except on MN...there are loads of replies along the 'but Caster Semenya' lines. Which is interesting as these same people moaned about Semenya being able to compete with women to start with as apparently it was unfair, but its now fine to bring her up as support of a trans argument. Now, with intersex people its a bit more difficult granted (and I do think it should be decided on a case by case basis), but WHY bring up an intersex athlete to support non intersex males competing against females? Its nothing alike, at all.

Because the trans movement have been muddying the waters and trying to hijack/include/associate intersex people with trans people.

In their attempts to 'normalise' the sterilisation of children and present trans-people as completely normal, they're associating transgenders with naturally occurring intersex people, are hoping ignorance of transgender and intersex isssues is so widespread that no one notices and presenting trans sexuals as a naturally occurring phenomenon.

There was a group representing intersex people called AISSG (Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome Support Group), which had a page detailing their run in with BBC documentary crew, the hijacking of the documentary content by Mermaids (transgender group) and their dissociation from the transgender lobbying.

However, there were reports of bullying of the AISSG volunteers and members and the website address has been hijacked by some sort of Oriental porn.

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