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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Professional boobs?

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TittyGolightly · 22/11/2017 14:04

I work in HR and have had a senior manager come to me today seeking advice re a member of staff’s chest. Apparently a few comments have been made that this lady - who they praise for in terms of knowledge and professionalism - has attended a couple of meetings recently in clothes which are too low cut for her (in the manager’s words) “ample bosom”. They wanted to know how they should advise the employee that they risked “appearing unprofessional” if they showed a bit too much boob.

I did the professional thing and advised in line with our policies, but it got me thinking. As it happens I am also big-boobed and take great care to make sure I don’t have bra showing/buttons gaping etc, but it got me wondering whether this is reasonable or not. We are very understanding of women’s needs around pregnancy and menopause as an organisation, but then judge part of their worth on how much chest skin is shown? Isn’t this part of the same argument around bhurkas?

Incidentally, I’ve never been asked to give advice on a man wearing a shirt/trousers are too tight.

So, thoughts?

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TittyGolightly · 24/11/2017 16:48

Some people would find ears more sexual than boobs.

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Kr1st1na · 24/11/2017 16:57

It’s not the SIZE of the employees breasts that are at issue and I hope that no one would mention this to her.

The company dress code says “ overly tight or revealing “. The manager says the employees tops are “ too low cut “ therefore they are revealing ie showing too much skin.

This would be the same for anyone who had a flat chest ( male or female ).

So it’s the cut of the neckline that is the problem, not the size or sex of the body it covers.

If a man wore a top with a low scoop neckline I assume it would also be a problem.

So it’s a factual issue that is not gendered. The neckline of her top is too low.

Tight and revealing could also apply for other items of clothing. Some companies willl not allow eg sleeveless tops ( for men or women ) or skirts / shorts higher than mid thigh or even just above the knee. Some insist on closed toe shoes.

Kr1st1na · 24/11/2017 17:01

Other things that should NOT be mentioned are

  • imputing motives to the employees choices of clothing eg “ attention seeking “.
  • other people’s reactions “ Bob in accounts was embarrassed “ .
  • anything about her body size or shape “ ample bosom ”
TittyGolightly · 24/11/2017 17:04

My colleague fed back that the conversation apparently included “well endowed”, “some people were uncomfortable with your ample bosom” and “risk appearing unprofessional”.

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Kr1st1na · 24/11/2017 17:28

Oh dear, how unfortunate . No wonder she was upset.

When it should have been

“ As you know the company has a dress code which is on p6 of the company handbook. Staff have not to wear clothes that are not too tight or revealing .

“Im afraid that your top is considered revealing as the neckline is too low. Please don’t wear it to work again and kindly check that the necklines of your other work outfits are higher. “

NotMeNoNo · 24/11/2017 17:31

That's awful. The most that could be said is that a top was revealing cleavage and did she realise it was probably too low for work as dress code is no revealing clothes.

If she is like me, nothing short of a cardboard box would hide the fact I have an "ample bosom".

IsaSchmisa · 25/11/2017 15:58

Well endowed and ample bosom? The manager's a fucking idiot.

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