Women's Liberation Party

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Reposting this from the thread about the Rochester Labour Party. Despairing now there is no mainstream or small party now that represents the interests of women.

What with the WEP also buying into this shambles, can we initiate a Women's Liberation Party to counter this?

Seriously.

We need to coalesce around a unified voice to fight this.

Suggested basic principles

Liberation of females from male supremacy.

Abolition of gender. People can dress, present, be who they want to be, whether or not that correlates with traditional stereotypes and norms associated with their sex.

Changing sex is impossible, both medically and politically, but you can be free to choose to non conform with the gender norms of your birth sex. Hate crime based on gender non-conformity to be taken seriously.

Trans people have and deserve rights both for their unique trans status and at a general human rights level. But transwomen’s and natal women’s rights do not in any way overlap. They do not form a cohesive group with a common definition that is not based on either a tautology, or essentialist stereotypes.

Gender is no business of the state. There is no reason for the state to know or collect statistics on people's gender... it is a personal matter. Sex on the other hand is important for the planning of services such as maternity, cervical and prostate screening etc.

Acknowledgement of the fact that humans are a sexually dimorphic species and the material reality of biology. How this affects opportunities and outcomes for female sexed people in society. Women are more than their sex, but never less.

Sex is why women are oppressed and gender is how. Understanding the nature of sex based oppression is essential to dismantling the gender structures that hold women subjugated.

All male violence and harassment of females to be included as a hate crime category. Stiff sentences for serious sex offences against women and children.

Affirmative consent-based Sex Education throughout the school career, at an age appropriate level. Teaching respect for others’ boundaries and wishes.

+Women only spaces upheld.

On a purely marketing angle, would a name that suggests something more about overall equality/fair society/everyone's better off?

Yes I know it's a sop, and I know they are women's issues, but we need to get all sides on board and not turn people off instantly, based on existing prejudices and misinformed notions about women's issues and parties that base on that. We all know how feminism is widely portrayed as screeching harpy man haters, yet when you explain the theory, people completely agree!

I don't have a suggestion, but wanted to mention the above.

Think it’s a great idea OP. But also as a pragmatist, agree with ShotsFired, if it wants to get mainstream traction, needs to have a positive vision that draws in lots of people that buoys it along.
I think the economic benefits of getting rid of sex stereotypes are very powerful (ie, letting women make their own choices about having children and working through state protection and regulation) and is something that could be presented in the currently fashionable ‘empowerment’ movement

The notion of equality is not having gender stereotypes obviously so women- feminists or otherwise feel they need to 'catch up' should look at the bigger picture and see that men/fathers can do everything that traditionally women have been known for be it house chores, employment to wearing clothing such as skirts etc and still be men and not be confused about who they are and visa versa with women being able to do what traditionally men have been known for through all aspects of society on equality platform. It's society that needs reforming not men per se.

It is well know in delivering aid, etc, that you give it to the women, because they give it to the elderly, to children and start up businesses and starts schools, give the aid to the men and they buy a mercedes benz, weapons, or in other ways abuse the power it gives them. So I am not up for 'equality' - I think it should be all about 'women first for the good of all', by this reasoning...

Yes, I agree Guardians, that’s what I was trying to get at.
There is a need for a woman centred party. Yes, men will also benefit as they are part of society but they will not be the focus of this political party and it’s aims.
Focusing on women’s needs and giving women power & choices has been proven beyond all doubt to radically improve society.

Michelle Goldberg’s book, The Means of Reproduction: Sex, power & the future of the world, documents in great detail (among other things) the vast economic advantages of giving women more autonomy & power both in rich & poor countries

Anyone fancy a second womens march where we descend on london and chain ourslves to the railings?

That would be amazing. So many great placards ideas...

I'll be at hardcore hate, bah :)
(I was meaning to start a thread about it actually)

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There is a need for a woman centred party. Yes, men will also benefit as they are part of society but they will not be the focus of this political party and it’s aims.
Focusing on women’s needs and giving women power & choices has been proven beyond all doubt to radically improve society.

Michelle Goldberg’s book, The Means of Reproduction: Sex, power & the future of the world, documents in great detail (among other things) the vast economic advantages of giving women more autonomy & power both in rich & poor countries

yy - thanks for your clarity - absolutely - that is the only way to avoid the pitfalls "equality" (ie male dominance and the erasure of women in a different guise). So it has to be women first for the good of all - otherwise you'll just see this party slide down the same pan as the WEP.

would a name that suggests something more about overall equality/fair society/everyone's better off? Yes I know it's a sop, and I know they are women's issues, but we need to get all sides on board and not turn people off instantly

Because 'women's rights' or 'women's equality' is seen by both sexes as an ugly, selfish, wrong thing that turns people off. Internalised sexism. This is exactly why a new group is needed to fight for. It shouldn't be the case that women's rights have to be fought for discreetly behind the scenes while obviously fighting for lets be honest, mens rights and wellbeing to keep everyone sweet.

Again, this is what got feminism into the mess it is today. Young women think supporting women's rights is actively wrong, and 'correct' feminism is about promoting and centering men and men's interests.

And also to be honest, it needs to be honest and blunt about women meaning adult biological female. Because any group created that has the word 'women' anywhere near it will be instantly put under seige by the trans lobby to centre trans interests and be clear that 'woman' means anyone of any description at any time.

Anyone fancy a second womens march where we descend on london and chain ourslves to the railings?

I would be all for this. I am from the North East, but with enough notice I could join this for sure. The way females are being expected to just give up their hard fought for rights, because another group have decided that they want them instead is so disheartening to me. The way women who stand against this removal of rights are being named 'terfs' and sneered at by those who claim that females wanting to keep their rights will be on the wrong side of history. Well its just very depressing. What if they are right? What if women do lose the right to sex segregated spaces and the likes? I know we already have some men muscling in (prisons is my main concern right now, given rapists are in with females) but what if this GRA change actually goes through and it becomes even more common and its actually by law now? What then? Its taken hundred of years for women to gain the rights they have now, and it can all be gone in the blink of an eye. I expect it will take hundreds of years to gain back too, if we ever did gain them back.

I don't like to think of marginalized groups being disadvantaged. However, womens rights and trans rights clash to a huge degree. I don;t see why women need to lose out on this. Or why its apparently so awful for us to fight. There is a better way that can help all involved. Women keep their spaces, and a unisex option is added. I do not understand why I am called a TERF or transphobe for saying that in my opinion, this is the only way the conflict will be resolved. And that I would campaign alongside trans people to get this done.

I am also apparently a TERF for saying stereotypes are just that, stereotypes. And that gender is a social construct and we would all be better off without it as everyone could be who they are and no-one would bat an eye at a man wearing glitter and a pink wig or whatever. Masculinity and 'gender norms' hurt men too.

Posted on another thread: biology is 'anti feminist' according to Labour's new women's officer, a 19 year old TIM.

twitter.com/racybearhold/status/933245328823693312

Maybe chaining to some sort of gentleman's club that doesn't allow females regardless of how they "identity"...?

I like the houses of parliament too.

I don't dislike it, I just thought that a Male-only place would demonstrate how crap self-identity is, in a way they might understand, Iyswim?

What are the laws around chaining yourself to places?