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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Been called a Feminazi

39 replies

ThisBigSky · 15/11/2017 08:20

Due to stating that harassment is a gender issue due to the fact it's incidence is much more higher against women. It was in a reply tweet to Scarlett Archer's "I know this isn't a gender issue as it happens to men too"; of course it does happen to men but it's way more likely to happen to women.

I'm usually pretty tough about my stance on this - gender does come into - but I'm unwell and feeling rough and it's really got to me today.

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AlternativeTentacle · 15/11/2017 08:22

Take it as a complement

DressedCrab · 15/11/2017 08:22

Wear the badge with pride.

MiracleCure · 15/11/2017 08:23

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Message withdrawn at poster's request.

ThisBigSky · 15/11/2017 08:27

I'm Jewish - it's just hit a nerve. I bigger nerve probably due to it just being Remembrance Day as well.

And also because people just don't seem to get it.

Thank you for the replies.

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ShotsFired · 15/11/2017 08:32

It's pretty lame now, so feel pity for them that they have such little imagination.

1DAD2KIDS · 15/11/2017 08:43

Sticks and stones. Who hasn't been called a few names on the faceless internet? Who hasn't (as much as may not like to admit) thrown a bit of mud them self? Part of being an adult and debate is about having a certain level of fortitude. But sometimes I get tgings get to us

ThisBigSky · 15/11/2017 08:57

Sigh. Male input defending men is not needed right now.

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UnbridledRuth · 15/11/2017 09:02

I think well meaning feminists unfortunately often get lumped in with the whole #killallmen, male tears mugs, Tumblr feminism (Misandry Mermaid etc) contingent.

It's unfortunate and probably part of why I'd rather describe myself as egalitarian.

WhatWouldGenghisDo · 15/11/2017 09:05

See I don't think that comparing a woman who has stated a demonstrable fact (sexual harassment is gendered) to a bunch of genocidal murderers is "part of being an adult and debate". And I don't see why anyone, especially someone who is Jewish, ought to have "fortitude" about it Confused

Actually I'm sick and tired of abusive hyperbole being hurled at women who are doing nothing worse than asserting themselves and then we're told we're the ones who are overreacting.

It's a nasty silencing tactic designed to close down debate, not facilitate it. Sorry it's upset you OP Flowers

AssassinatedBeauty · 15/11/2017 09:06

That kind of response comes from someone who is out to attack, and either can't or won't discuss things sensibly. Anything controversial posted publicly might attract the attention of the kind of person who posts like that.

Do you think you could see it as evidence that what you were saying was powerful and hard to actually argue against?

AnyFucker · 15/11/2017 09:06

Congratulations !

Carry on doing what you are doing.

DJBaggySmalls · 15/11/2017 09:14

MRA's describe themselves as egalitarians but they aren't. They are desperate to make the word 'feminist' unusable. They describe feminism as a supremacy movement.
It isnt. Women are not killing people by the millions or trying to rule the world, so the slur 'Nazi' is not accurate and is deliberately offensive.

We'll have 'equality' when 2 men are being murdered by women every week, when there are 50/50 men and women in all boardrooms, Parliament and the House of Lords.
I dont think it would make much difference to ordinary women to have equality. Women's needs are not identical to those of men.

Xenophile · 15/11/2017 09:33

Having been called a feminazi for making clear statements such as "no, no one deserves to have their cock sucked" to making similar points about the gendered nature of harassment, I know where you're coming from. I don't have the added layer of being Jewish and being called a nazi, and I'm sorry someone said that to you.

As others have said, it's kind of a rite of passage that shows that you're doing something right.

Ignore the "sticks and stones" thing, it's the kind of thing only someone who has never experienced similar could say. In any context.

WhatWouldGenghisDo · 15/11/2017 09:33

The use of that term basically implies that a woman who speaks her mind in public is going as far beyond her legitimate sphere of influence as men do when they attempt to enslave and murder whole races of people.

Just how silenced and subservient do they think we should be?

MadamMinacious · 15/11/2017 09:41

It's unfortunate and probably part of why I'd rather describe myself as egalitarian.

I'd rather be described as a feminist, there is no equality, we are not the same; women have less physical power, bear children and have been oppressed for many, many years. Equity, maybe equality - no. In these current times I'd rather be centring women than worrying about men etc. as well.

I hate the suffix of 'nazi' on anything it minimises what it stands for and quite often misses the point so I'm with you there but if people think asserting myself is strident then I'm inclined to think it's their problem these days.

1DAD2KIDS · 15/11/2017 09:50

To be fair feminism is a very broad term and sort of lost it meaning. You just have to look at the internal struggles of feminists in terms of transgender issuses, intersetionality etc. So just because someone says their a feminist I never assume what they are all about because the term incorporates some time a range of ideas that can be totally opposed. I guess this washed down spectrum is a result of the likes of Buzzfeed etc simplyfing things by saying things like if you want men and women to be equal then your a feminist? So everyone says I can dig that, I'm a feminist, without really looking or reading into it.

woman11017 · 15/11/2017 10:15

To be fair sperm carrier is a very broad term and sort of lost it meaning.

Rufustherenegadereindeer1 · 15/11/2017 10:27

woman

Had to work out what that was

Rufustherenegadereindeer1 · 15/11/2017 10:28

thisbigsky

I agree with other posters its a dreadful thing to say and must resonate with you all the more due to the circumstances

Thanks
Ttbb · 15/11/2017 10:32

Well I would probably be a bit pissed off if I were a male survivor of sexual abuse of you said that tbf, possibly even upset enough to start throwing around stupid names. Childbirth is a gender issue, not allowing women to work or drive a car is a gender issue. Sexual assault isn't a gender issue. Being a man doesn't mean that you are u affected and being a woman doesn't mean that you are not a perpetrator. Acting like this is just a women's issue is dismissive and extreme.

MadamMinacious · 15/11/2017 10:33

I've been a feminist (radical feminist if I must) since I was a teenager and heavily involved in it from reading, groups, volunteering and yes, teaching it. I'm not sure I need it or its divisions to be explained to me to be fair.

Nonibaloni · 15/11/2017 10:34

I thought it was a rule of the Internet that once someone mentions nazi or Hitler the argument is lost.
It’s thoughtless and relentless like so much sexism. When I said prostitues were frequently raped that was similar to genocide according to the Internet.
If you have the strength call it out.

Elendon · 15/11/2017 10:36

Who hasn't been called a few names on the faceless internet?

My ex of 20 years called me a feminazi, the only person ever to do so. It was in real life as well and in front of friends.

It's meant as a slur on your character. Rise above it and judge the person who directed it to you. It's nasty and uncalled for. They say it to hurt.

AssassinatedBeauty · 15/11/2017 10:41

To ignore the heavily gendered aspect to harassment is unhelpful and will not help to address it as a widespread problem in society. The overwhelming number of perpetrators are male, and the victims of it are much more likely to be female.

The idea that expressing this fact might justify abusive name calling by anonymous trolls is absurd.

PricklyBall · 15/11/2017 10:44

Flowers, ThisBig

For the "sticks and stones" brigade - this goes way, way beyond that. Someone has called a Jewish woman a Nazi for expressing a factually accurate opinion online. That is way out of order, and you should be ashamed of yourself if you can't see that.

For the "but it happens to men too" brigade - yes it does and that is shocking and terrible for the men involved. But that does not mean it is not a gendered crime. There are a higher percentage of women who are affected than men, and when one turns attention to the perpetrators it is obvious that it is an overwhelmingly gendered phenomenon. 98% of prisoners in the UK serving custodial sentences for sexual offences are male. To refuse to acknowledge that the pattern of criminal activity in sex offending is gendered is to lie by omission.