Person who raped a 15-year old girl found dead in prison

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My sympathy is limited. The judge said that Martin Eatough was likely to be a risk to women for the rest of his life. I would assume that doesn't change if Martin takes hormones and identifies as Jade. And yet at some point this person could have expected to be transferred to a women's prison?

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I agree entirely. I despise all rapists. I hope you're doing alright

No fucks given here, either. All my sympathy is reserved for the 15 year old he raped at knifepoint, and any other girls and women he attempted to rape.
On a positive note, it helps to get the issue of violent sex offenders 'transitioning' to women while in jail out in the news.There seems to be a theme here. I think it's going to help the general public see the broader picture .

I wonder how his victims feel about him being referred to as a woman. When I was raped, what I went through both during and in the aftermath was very specific to the perpetrator being a man. He was able to overpower me because he was male, he was able to cause injury because of his male penis and I was left panicking about pregnancy and forced to take emergency contraception because he was male. It's the ultimate in gaslighting, and the fact that the national press are now actually obliged to call convicted violent rapists women shows that society has completely lost the plot on this issue.

Oh and I couldn't give a flying fuck that HE killed himself. Hopefully spared more potential victims when he was inevitably moved to a women's prison.

yeh, boo hoo. HE is a rapist. I find it very hard to believe that a person who feels like a woman would rape.

You're right Stitchglitched. It's bizarre, it's gas lighting.

Eatough was convicted in 2006. At the time it was said He will not be eligible for parole for three years and 99 days and will remain on licence for life and on the sex offenders register indefinitely.

So 11 years later, and 7 years after he could have been considered for parole he was still being held in a high security prison.

The UK does not lock people up and throw away the key. Clearly this man had not been assessed as either having been rehabilitated and no longer a danger. I wonder how long he has been "trans"?

Am still pissed off that this rapist, who raped a child, is being referred to as "she" and is described as "living as a woman"?

I mean "living as a woman" is meaningless outside of prison. Inside prison it's even more meaningless.

I'm another one who thinks it's sad this man has killed himself. I think what he did was truly horrible.

But he's still a person, with friends and relatives who will mourn him. And I believe everyone should have the chance of redemption - that's just basic humanity. Reading posters here crowing over his death is pretty inedifying tbh.

I wouldn't mourn anybody I knew if they were a rapist. I never understand families who stick by their relatives when they kill or rape somebody.
So I definetly won't be mourning a random evil person either. Good thing HE died. I hope the victims have closure now

Meh, one fewer violent male in the world, I’ll try not to be too upset.

I think the fact that the victims will now have a chance to feel safe outweighs the sadness of the fact that people might mourn him.

If I had been raped, and the perpetrator was in prison, I would live in terror of his getting out, because there have been more than enough cases of rapists being set free to continue to rape.

Now that there's the additional risk of rapists being put into women's prisons where they can continue to rape and terrorise incarcerated women, I think we should be putting out the fucking flags that one of them is dead, quite frankly.

I am sorry if you find this unedifying. I used to share your view but now I think the way victims of rape, compared to rapists, are treated is far more unedifying.

The article is weird, I can't work out if it is suggesting that this person should have been in a women's prison and then they wouldn't have killed themselves, or not.

I agree with a PP that conditions in prisons should be such that physical violence, sexual assaults, bullying are minimised - the suicide rates in some prisons and especially young offenders is very worrying.

I do not believe that putting men who transition - especially ones who are convicted of violent crimes against women - and most especially sex offenders - should be in with the women. If there are increasing numbers of men transitioning - which there are - then a wing of a facility just for them would do quite well.

Many trans people do not have physical alteration and putting men with functioning dicks whether rapists or not is just really stupid - no-one wants women who are in prison getting pregnant. And putting rapists in with them is just fucking evil.

I think the fact that the victims will now have a chance to feel safe outweighs the sadness of the fact that people might mourn him.

This. He raped a 15 year old.

I don't believe in the death penalty, however horrific the crime - but this rapist wasn't killed by anyone else. He chose to end his own life. If his choice gives his victim (or his victims - rapists often don't stop at one rape) a chance to feel safe for the first time in years, I don't begrudge them that at all.

Well at least there are positives that cone come out of this.

1 no woman has to worry about him.being put in prison and raping them.

2 his victim never has to worry about him being released

I do wish he was still in prison though. Being dead he has escaped his punishment. And I hope his death does not spark some knee jerk reactions about the mental stability of those in men's prisons claiming to be trans and put into women's prisons.

2006 - He will not be eligible for parole for three years and 99 days and will remain on licence for life and on the sex offenders register indefinitely.

(from post upthread)

So if he'd behaved himself he could have been out in 3 and a bit years for one rape of a 15 year old and another sexual assault on the same day.

That's not long enough. I'm glad he was still locked up, so something was working, but I think that sex offenders are very hard to rehabilitate and the risk to the public is so high that they should never be released until some expert people are pretty damn sure that they pose no further risk. If that means they are locked up forever then so be it.

Fixed terms for crimes like this don't make any sense to me. Public protection must come first with people convicted of hate crimes, sex offences, violence against women (often both a sex crime and a hate crime) etc.

I wouldn't mourn anybody I knew if they were a rapist.

Likewise. Never mind friends, if my father or brothers ever committed such an abhorrent crime they would never have anything to do with me ever again and I would certainly not mourn their death. I'd be enraged at the awful crime and upset about what the victim suffered in that hypothetical situation (which I'm sure would never arise). Likewise in this case, my thoughts are with the woman and girl attacked. Though it's something the attacker can never now be released I hope they're getting support. Their lives have been forever altered by what this man chose to do.

That's not long enough.

I concur entirely QueenOfTheSardines. At least in this case the attacker wasn't released when the minimum term expired but there are so many instances of dangerous men convicted of rape being released then going on to commit identical attacks (there were two such men who attacked again within the space of two days in January of this year). On top of this, the sentences given for rape are generally woefully short (especially when most are released after half of them).

Rapist dies in prison. That's some good news for society in general.

I do not think think enough research has gone into the effects of hormones and mental health especially in regards to prisoners and the prison environment. But I have no sympathy for the man only his victims.

Good riddance.

Pity he didn’t kill himself before he raped her (and probably other women or girls, given rapists are serial criminals).

In 2016, there were 119 suicides, 37,784 self-harm incidents and 25,049 assault incidents. All record figures.

We have a problem in our prisons - privatisation, cuts, mental health services, etc ad infinitum. This is a prison problem, not a transgender problem.

A friend of mine says that you choose your gender when you use your penis to rape someone. And not only that, you also choose the gender of the woman you rape. That IS gender. That IS the power structure pf gender, used to abuse members of the female reproductive class. I agree.

And I will die on this hill: dangerous rapists cannot be accommodated in women's prisons, whatever the fragility of their mental health.

A friend of mine says that you choose your gender when you use your penis to rape someone. And not only that, you also choose the gender of the woman you rape. That IS gender. That IS the power structure pf gender

Thank your friend from me for providing perfect clarity on this.

The suicide rate is higher for men than for women. And it's higher for transgender people than for men.

Suicide in prison - whoever is taking their own life - is a national disgrace. But unfortunately prison reform and operating standards just isn't considered a political priority.

Does Corbyn have anything on prison standards?

"And it's higher for transgender people than for men."

I've heard this so many times, but how is that calculated when we simply do not know how many transgender people there are?