FINALLY! The Guardian writes something that is not Gender critical bashing

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www.theguardian.com/world/2017/sep/24/violence-against-women-transgender-debate?CMP=share_btn_tw

The Guardian has deleted many comments of mine, including those stating that penises are not female and patiently explaining why many women object to being called 'cis.'

It's going to take more than printing one letter to change my opinion of them - and as someone said upthread, a letter essentially saying that women shouldn't face violence from those who disagree with them shouldn't be in any way controversial.

The Guardian is a lost cause. Utterly lost. They have swallowed, hook line and sinker, the idea that women are a costume, women are a fantasy, women are things for men to project their yearnings upon, women are an endless sink into which men can pour all their anger into and will never say enough, stop, no more. An idea that has no boundaries and no limits and no true independent selfhood. The Cologne coverage, the child rape coverage, the trans coverage are all of a piece. Women will always come last in the Guardian. The only "feminism" permitted is trivial bullshit about Disney movies or "microaggressions". Real aggression is far too problematic, better devote 10,000 words to a movie where people pretend to beat each other up. Real suppression is far too problematic, better cover a rude t-shirt than things like Speakers Corner or the deselection of Amina Lone (an insidious suppression of Muslim women within the Labour party).

It's weak. Difficult conversations must be had or women will continue to pay the price. I just think they've given up. Tacitly, they think we cannot resolve these problems and so they feed poor women, brown women, Northern women into the fire to stave it off themselves for another day, just one more day.

I have not abandoned hope; I think we can turn the ship. I think we can find just and equitable solutions to these social problems, but we cannot do it without confronting them, without doing the scary, difficult work of facing what is happening in the world.

BTW I think the other lot are no better! But at least with them you can see the wolf.

Is anyone writing to them?

I'm not eloquent nor hugely knowledgeable about these issues, so many of you are. What could be done?

Their Cologne coverage was shocking, offensively so. Their columnist wrote that you can see why women with jobs and smartphones might cause resentment amongst immigrant men.

Morris Fucking hell! I missed that, what is wrong with them?!

Love hadleys work but have otherwise stopped reading the guardian. Too little too late.

The Cologne reporting in the Guardian was a scandal. What happened to that Emily person who was on here defending it all? Not seen her since

Yes, they delete any gender critical comment, no matter how simple or factual. I used to comment politely on the trans articles, usually something about 'sex' and 'gender' not being synonyms. However, they were always deleted swiftly. I just stopped reading and commenting altogether.

Funnily enough, they're losing readers and funding at a crazy rate... I wonder what they're doing wrong?

I find it incredible they can't see how harmful the anti-women approach is to the bottom line of their paper. I wonder if they have ever done any research on how many of their readers are women. Traditionally a lot will have been, I would think, given it was always the paper of the female-dominated professions like teaching and social work.

I cut my feminist teeth on the women's page in the 80s and I am exactly the sort of person who would have once been a loyal Guardian reader, but like so many I have defected to the Times because they seem to hate women less

Last year they did a survey of readers (I had a subscription at the time) and I raised the issue of them silencing women re Cologne and transgender issues. Although I ticked the box saying that they could follow up further with me, no follow up. Funny that.....

I'm hoping that the Guardian isn't a lost cause. They regularly publish Julie Bindel, though, sadly, it's been a long time since she's published anything in the paper specifically on the transgender issue.

They also publish Suzanne Moore, who is sympathetic to the gender-critical view (people might remember a hoo-hah a few years ago when Julie Burchill wrote a robust piece for the Observer about the trans issue, after Moore was attacked by transactivists for remarks she made on Twitter).

And then there's Hadley Freeman, who's also pretty good.

So whereas their coverage has recently been abysmal, I do hold out hope that change is possible.

Incidentally the second signee Prof Deborah Cameron wrote that brilliant book “The Myth of Mars and Venus”.

Yep. I remember the coverage by the Guardian. The immigrant men in Cologne and Munich attacked those women out of resentment for their smartphones because obviously German men are neither affluent or own smartphones.

Women are important to the Guardian. The paper is hugely proud of the fact that, for example, 43% of front page bylines are women, compared to 22% in the media as a whole.

It just hasn't cottoned on, it seems, to the fact that there's a huge conflict between women's rights and transgender rights. Or perhaps, more depressingly, it has cottoned on, and thinks transgender rights are more important.

Either way, perhaps it would be good for a lot of people to write to the letters page in support of this morning's letter.

hackmum
I suppose it would be a positive sign if they published any gender critical letters - but as they are fully in the grip of "anything less than positive about transgender issues is literal violence" it's doubtful.

I will believe it when I see them openly publishing some gender critical pieces and fronting out the haters - because until they do I see them as the same as all the women silencers out there.

perhaps it would be good for a lot of people to write to the letters page in support of this morning's letter.

The problem with that is, would it be printed? I think the Guardian is more like the BBC with its 'balance' in reporting.

Seems women's rights are important to the Guardian only when there are not other competing rights e.g.
Immigrants rights trump women's rights
Transgender rights trump women's rights.

Same old, same old..

I didn't see this piece by Matthew D'Ancona when it first came out in the summer, but it's an interesting one (even if I disagree with the conclusion that it's all a bit tricky but there's no "significant problem")

I think the guardian did articles / published extracts from the myth of mars - google is showing quite a few from 10 years ago.

I agree with hackmum as when I read the women's section there is a lot of very important pieces. Cologne was a let down. And yes, they don't get the clash between gender issues and women's rights yet. I wonder if it's because they have a lot of trans contributors?

I must say, when I go on the app, any trans writing is not placed within the women's section. It is completely separate. The women's section is only about women.

There are difficult articles but this is today's app trans section:

I must say I do now read it all with an awareness and skepticism of their inability to recognise the infringement of women's rights that some of the trans issues have, which I only learnt about here to be honest.

Some elements of the times I struggle with.

It's reminding me of a link I found on mumsnet to a discussion in America of women's safe spaces. The panel had a strange mix of ultra right Christians and feminist academics and refuge workers.

The guardian is affiliated too much to labour and the greens to fully be able to get this, but maybe they're beginning to bridge the gap.

Too little too late from the Guardian for me too.

Found this from Catherine Bennett at the Guardian. She's clearly sensible

here

"War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength" ....and Rotherham and the other child grooming cases were made up by bigots, and so was Cologne, and women can have penises and men can have babies and transwomen are women and can have everything they want. I've been through with the Guardian for a long time.

Oh and don't forget Owen Jones, who thinks lesbians should sleep with men!

Yes, the lovely Owen, who would be horrified, nay disgusted to find himself with a man who had a male clitoris. The very thought of genitalia other than his own is beyond his comprehension. Presumably is mother gave birth to him by CS.