Girl assaulted twice on train within 15 minutes by separate men

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www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cornwall-41001782

Another case of a girl not only being subject to unwanted attention from men but being targeted then, having moved seats to avoid the first man, being sexually assaulted by another man. Yet again, it's so normalised for girls and women to be seen as existing for the sexual gratification for men that two men travelling separately saw it as perfectly acceptable to treat a girl in this way, touching and kissing her against her will. An abhorrent view of girls and women which is so widespread.

This is so disturbing. Is nowhere safe for females?

It is. Not that any case isn't horrific but this and the recent case of the 14 year old girl who was raped twice by separate men, the second after she flagged down a car for help after the first attack, are incredibly chilling.

In this case that a girl was subject to this on a train trying to travel home, was forced to move to get away from the first man then the reaction of another was to subject her to another sexual assault is just awful. Such unthinking treatment of a girl as a sexual object for their enjoyment.

This is so horrible. Poor girl. The sense of entitlement from most men, far too many men, absolutely disgusts me.

That poor girl.

Hopefully there will be CCTV footage and they find these arseholes.

It's abhorrent yet doesn't surprise me in the slightest unfortunately. This view of women and girls is so widespread and accepted. Awful for her, though, simply trying to travel and was subject to that by men - it must have been so demeaning and intimidating yet these men won't have given it a second thought - just what they felt entitled to do.

Society has to join the dots and start calling this male violence, every time, every incident. In the news, in the papers.

I swear we are going backwards.

I concur. There are so many incidents, the majority of which are scarcely reported - if at all. Despite this, no connection is made, no inquiries, no statements on widespread male violence towards women and girls and the entitlement many feel to women and girls. Harassment such as this incident is also on the same spectrum I feel, with a woman subject to sexually violent threats to remind her of her place when she objected to it: www.getwestlondon.co.uk/news/west-london-news/woman-told-i-hope-you-13041666

I guess this is what happens when people adopt the "boys will be boys" stance?

Poor woman really hope they catch the arseholes who did it.

Quite probably Giles. That two different men within minutes on the same carriage thought this a perfectly acceptable way to view and treat someone because they're female shows such entitlement towards women and girls, that they exist for their amusement/enjoyment. I hope they do as well though fear not much will happen.

There was another very recently that a girl was assaulted at the train station, waved down a car in the street for help and was assaulted again!

There was - that was horrendous. The victim in that case was a 14 year old girl, the first attacker has been charged. Someone was arrested recently for the second attack but I don't think they've been charged yet. Abhorrent.

Horrific. It just goes to show how high the proportion of men that do this is.

People go on about NAMALT, but a hell of a lot of them obviously are like that - otherwise double assaults like this would be vanishingly rare, rather than the comparatively regular occurrence that they are (twice in the space of a couple of months is not rare, and those are just the ones that made the news).

Totally disgusting.

I'm 53 so have lived through the 80s when sexual 'banter' was, I think' much more prevalent. I remember numerous incidents. I don't think any of that would be acceptable now in offices etc.

But I don't remember this level of sexual violence and assault. Yes there was obviously cases of rape etc but not on this level I'm sure.

It's horrific and incredibly disturbing.

Awful.

The train station attack is fairly local to me too.

Why are men allowed to get away with this behaviour? Because 9 times out of 10 they DO get away with it.

People go on about NAMALT, but a hell of a lot of them obviously are like that - otherwise double assaults like this would be vanishingly rare, rather than the comparatively regular occurrence that they are

Course alot of them are like that. Some mature out of it but you only need to walk past a building site or cross the road in front of a work van to find that out.

And it's not going to change any time soon. Not while we remain more concerned about what women are wearing
/doing than we are about how men are acting towards them.

But I don't remember this level of sexual violence and assault. Yes there was obviously cases of rape etc but not on this level I'm sure.

I think it's more likely to be reported now - think about all the cases of historical child abuse in recent years - a lot of that is because people will be believed and supported now, rather than shamed and told they must have led him on and they've brought disgrace on the family.

OP, do you know if those men in the White City incident were arrested? I was looking through that story waiting for the photo of them that the victim took... but I guess it's too much to hope that they can be publicly shamed like that?! Still, if she got a photo of them, surely it shouldn't be beyond the wit of the police to identify them?

MerchantofVenice sadly I don't think they were tracked down. There are a couple of articles on the same issue in which the photograph was included - they also had matching tops on which implied they'd been playing football together - but I couldn't see anywhere which said they'd been tracked down. It was an abhorrent incident which shows yet again harassment of women and girls is about power and intimidation - the moment she challenged it, she was told she deserved to be raped and had them shouting about hoping she was raped on her way home. Shows as well that many men know rape is a way of controlling women and girls, exerting power over us - they were shouting this to intimidate her and amplify the fear of it happening, enjoying it being a fear and risk women and girls live with.

People go on about NAMALT, but a hell of a lot of them obviously are like that - otherwise double assaults like this would be vanishingly rare, rather than the comparatively regular occurrence that they are (twice in the space of a couple of months is not rare, and those are just the ones that made the news).

Very much so WWA. Not only are such incidents themselves commonplace but these are two within a couple of months in which entirely separate men chose to assault the same victim on upon seeing them. This is not to mention instances when groups of boys and men act like this towards women and girls, showing they all see it as being acceptable. It's awful and rather worrying.

The second attack took place when the girl moved seats to get away.

A second man approached her at around 9pm and when she told him what had happened, he kissed her and touched both her and himself inappropriately.

Not that it was anything other than abhorrent anyway but the second man who assaulted her had also approached her (probably upon seeing her distressed), she confided what had happened to him and his reaction was to also sexually assault her.

Shows as well that many men know rape is a way of controlling women and girls, exerting power over us

Rape has historically been used as a form of intimidation and control for sure. Armies have been the biggest culprits. I wonder if you are right and we need more cameras and more public shaming of such behavior.

If the girlfriends, wives, mothers, sisters, even daughters of these men saw their behavior, the work colleagues.

The part about him getting angry at the photo taken - shows he is fully aware that what he is doing is wrong. He suddenly became scared of possible consequences. And that's the crux, far too often there are no consequences for such behavior.

Bear hug I grew up in the 80s and there were certainly as many assaults. Low reporting and not much success with convictions though, even worse than now. Ingeniero i look back at my teen years I can't quite believe how often it happened to me, it seems really bizarre, but I really did go from place to place being assaulted, grabbed, leered at, flashed at and also unfortunately raped by strangers, friends, acquaintances, passers by... all men obv

Not sure what "ingeniero" is! *autocorrect

The part about him getting angry at the photo taken - shows he is fully aware that what he is doing is wrong. He suddenly became scared of possible consequences.

This is true and that manifested itself in further violent threats and aggression towards the woman. It's also telling that a large group of men all thought it was acceptable not only to harass a woman but also to shout abuse at her and wish rape upon her simply for her objecting to their harassment.

Time for female only coaches on trains and trams?