Sussex Police officer (hate crime specialist) criticising supermarkets for labelling tampon and ST aisle as 'feminine care'

[MimiSam]

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/hate-crime-officer-sergeant-peter-allan-sussex-police-tesco-sainsburys-tampons-womens-hygiene-a7891226.html

Another example of someone who has drunk the Kool-aid! But thankfully, this piece of nonsense seems to have backfired on him....

Blimey. I can hear the screech of brakes and see the skid marks left that that u-turn from the independent. Maybe next time they're reporting actual serious crime they could be bloody honest and not tell us that a 'woman has stabbed a man' when it's a trans woman.

He has also recently weighed in on the M&S "mummy in a pink dress toilet door sign" debate. No matter what your opinion on that issue I would hope we can all agree it wasn't a hate crime (by about several million miles)

The design was also condemned by Sussex Police hate crime ambassador Sergeant Peter Allan, who wrote on the Facebook thread: "This should not be happening in 2017."

It is very worrying that a police officer doesn't know what constitutes a crime.

Apart from the ridiculousness of it all, I am pretty sure there's no law against selling feminine hygiene products, therefore, it is not a crime at all.

This toilet sign is shitty and sexist, and I am not at all forgiving when it comes to sexism, but I wouldn't call it a hate crime. And I am pretty sure that no feminist would do so.

Sadly, though. the genderists will probably applaud him for wrongly calling the selling of feminine hygiene products a "hate crime". Because hurt manfeelz are just the same as violent men killing black people or women.

But it's fine for men to say they "feel feminine in a dress" but not say feminine hygiene.

I'm glad we all accept that only people with penises get to difine words now

Surely this is more saying that FTM transgender people still need to use tampons etc but identify as male? Not about MTF?

Katnisnevergreen

It might well be, but you never hear them actually say it. It's driven by MTT.

It's a double whammy. Transmen will object to the word feminine on the basis that they are men and transwomen will object on the basis that it's exclusionary.

And no, that doesn't make any sense. Not only because you can't be excluded from something that doesn't apply to you, but also because the word feminine does not denote sex and could apply to them anyway on the basis of their gender presentation.

So on the one hand you can't have it because it refers to gender, and on the other you can't have it because it denotes sex.

But they still don't like it. Anything that actively singles out women for a biological function that exclude them, is considered cissexist. And must be neutralised.

But the article says that men use these products too as the argument for changing the title. Therefore it doesn't seem to be about MTF but FTM as they would be the men using the products. MYF wouldn't want the name changed as they see themselves as women.

Not everything is about male appropriation of female things.

He got a lot of criticism on his Twitter post, and Sussex Police had to post to confirm he wasn't a troll - impersonating a police officer is a crime.
People are also saying they'll boycott Tesco if they change the signs to gender neutral.

Feminine hygiene is a ridiculous phrase anyway, maybe it would suit the flowery perfume section

Surely this is more saying that FTM transgender people still need to use tampons etc but identify as male? Not about MTF?

Is the police officer who said it a ftm, I assumed it was another well meaning lefty man?

Not quite, he said that there were male products on the shelf too. That was his complaint apparently

So all the store has to do is move those 'male' products and the sign would be correct, yes?

I think feminine hygiene is perfectly reasonable. Flowers and fluffy things aren't feminine, periods are.

Not everything is about male appropriation of female things.

No, but this is.

MtFs are the driving force behind it. They are using transmen to further their agenda.

I'm not at all disputing that transmen don't object to it, I'm sure they do. But it is transwomen who will be nailing it home, time after time.

Transmen are women. Their voices are as irrelevant as any other woman's. They're not clamouring to get into men's spaces, to change the definition of the word man, none of it. They are not online telling men how to be men.

Or if they are, no one is listening.

This case is no different.

Transwomen actively do not want this specific parts of womanhood that relate to biology to be designated as anything to do with women.

Hence the pussy hat outrage on the women's march.

And I completely agree, it makes no sense. Because it's not about them wanting to be women. It's about them not wanting women to be women.

That was in response to Katniss btw

Can men and transmen really not cope with buying a few bits from the women's aisle??

He was utterly slammed by other officers for the garb he came out with. He deleted his Twitter feed IIRC

Today 13:38 pombal

Can men and transmen really not cope with buying a few bits from the women's aisle??

I'm sure most men have little trouble. Transmen, on the other hand, might find it more difficult.

Affirming their manhood would be preferable.

Feminine does not equal woman (stamps foot)

For goodness sake. Men don't have periods so why would the sign need to be changed? Ridiculous.

DeleteOrDecay

Men have periods. Women ejaculate (sperm).

That's a point, shall we be seeing condoms rebranded as female contraception?

Transmen are women. Their voices are as irrelevant as any other woman's. They're not clamouring to get into men's spaces, to change the definition of the word man, none of it. They are not online telling men how to be men.Or if they are, no one is listening.

Now, I do agree that no one listens to transmen who want to get into male spaces.

But. If the things they want are at the expense of women, they ARE listened to. See all the talk about "pregnant people".

The hierarchy goes: Men, male nonbinaries, transwomen, transmen, female nonbinaries, women.

So whenever transmen want to bully us plain old ordinary women, society supports them.

And obviously, to men who want to erase women, transmen provide an useful excuse for that.

Datun I feel for transmen, but lots of men buy these products for their DP.

Surely not reason enough to start renaming everything.

Anyway I agree with what you said upthread, this is not coming from transmen.

I agree that transmen can be the most vitriolic abusers ever, online.

They have a particularly creative way of insulting one. Whilst men will go for the more obvious threats of violence and rape, transmen use their imagination more.

But from what I have read online, it is nonetheless transwomen who push, what at first glance, looks like a transman's agenda.

When you couple that with their insistence that women stop talking about abortion, miscarriage, menstruation, etc, it's unsurprising.

pombal

I can't see any reason to rename any of it. Feminine hygiene? Meh. Never bothered me.

However now it does. But only because I see it in a long line of attempts to erase the fact of women's biology.

Feminine does not equal woman (stamps foot)

Feminine is things that are associated with females. So to me, periods, birth, cramps are feminine. There are lot of people out there with a vested interest in convincing us that lipstick is feminine but I'm not buying it.

Thinking about it we've always used feminine and masculine to describe the human form which that's clearly about biology