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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

I'm just going to hang out in here all day

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WhichJob · 26/07/2017 11:37

Sigh. I'm just so tired.

I'm tired of women not getting paid as much as men

I'm tired of women and children dying at the hands of men

I'm tired of women not having the same opportunities as men

I'm tired of women being sexually assaulted and raped and then blamed for it!!!

I'm tired of men and women who make excuses and claim that men have it just as bad because some men are also victims of domestic violence and because more men commit suicide.

I'm tired of fighting for a cause that feels like it is going backwards.

Tomorrow I will be fine, but today I am tired. Sad

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WhichJob · 26/07/2017 16:28

Problem is, I don't think we will feel free in our lifetime. The pace of change is so slow. That's what feels overwhelming today.

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Elendon · 26/07/2017 16:51

The pace of change is slow.

I remember a game of giant steps and baby steps. This game was played with both sexes. Rarely did the women win, even though it was a game that relied on doing two things. You called on those you thought were going to tag you to take baby steps and you would give someone else a chance.

It was a horrible game. The males would always let the males win. Sometimes they let a female win, but would always say, I let her win.

Once played it with my female friends (we were pre secondary school and Northern Ireland has a long summer break). It was fun because we all got a chance to be the leader and we all allowed everyone else to lead too. An understanding of equality right there.

WhichJob · 26/07/2017 16:56

Elendon, isn't that a metaphor for life? It isn't just that it is slow, it feels like we are going backwards. I wonder if it is because historical knowledge of life before the vote/before rape in marriage was made illegal etc is being forgotten? There is still so much to do!

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NoLoveofMine · 26/07/2017 17:09

I also despair at the number of girls who "like" and share sexist and misogynist content on social media. I can't imagine any other group being so ready to do so on content demeaning themselves. Of course many, many girls and women don't but it's something I've noticed and wouldn't occur with another group; another reason I pay less and less attention to it and prefer here Grin

WhichJob · 26/07/2017 17:14

Yes! The need to be the 'cool girl' is strong.

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Mrsmorton · 26/07/2017 17:21

Whichjob totally hear ya. It's utterly exhausting and my efforts feel so futile tbh. I constantly call it out at work but it is hard work and doesn't seem worth it some days.

My peers on here and on twitter (and my new fb account!) keep my chin up. Wine

NoLoveofMine · 26/07/2017 17:23

I can understand it to an extent as challenging misogyny certainly doesn't lead to popularity with boys - but it's also frustrating this is seen as at all important! I keep repeating it but I really think it's telling there's not any other group of people who'd do such a thing with content demeaning themselves (or say things criticising themselves generally). Probably articulating this badly!

crazyhorses3 · 26/07/2017 17:31

This forum is an education actually. You realise how many women are really being oppressed by the men they are live with are in relationships with. in this day and age why are women putting up with men who cheat/abuse/are lazy and disrespectful? How many women on this forum have been raped or treated disgracefully. I find it really really sad that women think they still have to put up with this shit. Men watching porn, men who think their needs come first, men who think women will just pick up the pieces and keep the show on the road despite their total selfishness. Not all men are like this. The men in my life are not like this at all because I would never want to be around men who are like this. Why do so many women think this is all they deserve????

DeleteOrDecay · 26/07/2017 18:02

I feel the same. I stupidly get sucked into the comments section under articles on Facebook which is always an eye opener (in a bad way). Which doesn't help.

I do genuinely feel like the vast majority of women don't see it, or don't want to see it. I don't know anyone personally who holds the same feminist views as me. Not openly anyway. So it can get a bit lonely at times.

NoLoveofMine · 26/07/2017 18:06

There's part of me which wishes I didn't see it in a way but on the whole it's vital as many as possible do. It must be frustrating not knowing anyone who feels the same way in person DeleteOrDecay but I hope you know you're far from alone!

QuentinSummers · 26/07/2017 20:56

The Internet doesn't help because it's so male dominated and there is so much shit out there. Such as the family court are biased, there is no gender pay gap, white WC men are the most discriminated against group there is blah blah blah. So it all gets vicious and polarised. I despair.

newtlover · 26/07/2017 21:05

I know how you feel OP it's exhausting and sometimes you wish you could put the blinkers back on.
Things that help me-
remembering how far we have come (and we stand on the shoulders of giants...) even recently marital rape was not a crime
I now work in DV which in some ways is grim but I'm part of a team of strong, committed women- and even before that I worked in female dominated workplaces with plenty of feminists
My DC- all now adult, 2 women and 2 men see patriarchy for what it is- unfortunately some of them have swallowed the TG koolaid, but I hope logic will prevail in the end.

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