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Trans rights and consultation on legal gender - cold hard facts and sources please?

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mrsroboto · 23/07/2017 20:50

I've been reading with interest the various trans threads going on, in reference to this news item (I know it's been a longrunning discussion) Consultation on changing legal gender to be launched

There's been a lot of chat and theorising and I admit I had previously assumed it was the same as all the American hysteria over women with big hands using ladies' bathrooms. HOWEVER, obviously there's a lot more worrying things being implied. (I'm aware that people are worried about female-only safe spaces and medical definitions of male/female).

I'm not familiar with TRAs or their arguments so please can someone clearly answer some of my questions for me, with links to sources rather than generalising where possible? (I ask this respectfully as I know there is a lot of anger and disbelief and infighting which are making threads hard to follow, and I'd like to provide links for others - plus I tend not to believe stuff people write on the internet if there isn't a credible source - my STEM background).

  1. From the news article, it looks like they want to remove the 'gender dysphoria' requirement for the 'Gender Recognition Panel' to allow someone to be recognised as the other gender. The 'gender dysphoria' definition in the DSM-5 looks fairly 'open' in that I would have thought most trans people would easily meet (things like 'A strong desire to be of the other gender'). The new requirement would be "a simple administrative process".

What is the trans argument for not even wanting to meet the gender dysphoria diagnosis? (Please don't just answer 'misogyny' - I'm trying to understand if there's supposed to be a reason - too difficult to diagnose? Symptoms that aren't listed in the DSM?)

  1. What is the simple administrative process? Has this actually been proposed yet? (Ppl assuming one can just sign a piece of paper) Can you change back and forth regularly?
  1. is there anyone who genuinely benefits from this? Are there distinct groups of trans people, such as 'genuine' gender dysmorphia people vs men who want to access women's prisons etc? what about in-between?
  1. is there a question about lowering the age for physical transition? I'm aware of people claiming that children as young as 9 are starting to transition with drugs etc - any sources? I find this crazy.

As I said, I've read other threads with lots of good points about the implications so am familiar with a lot of the arguments but less familiar with actual facts, legislation, sources that might give an idea as to what could happen. Hoping a wise MNer or two can help but not wanting it to become a pile-on. AND apologies for not being up to speed yet.

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Datun · 25/07/2017 15:09

But people don't contact the DBS themselves. They are instructed to by the employer. Then, I can't remember if they write off themselves or their employer does.

Either way, if the employer is in a position where a DBS check is necessary for their employees, they can't employ the person without a check.

So it will get picked up. The person is under a legal obligation to disclose their previous identity to the DBS.

Although, how the DBS check that the person has done that, I'm not sure.

If someone rocks up with a new name and it gets put through the police database, I don't know if there is any flag to show that that name has only been in use for a few months. Thus alerting them to the possibility of a previous identity.

I'm assuming the process is already in place though for people who change their name by deed poll?

Otherwise criminals could constantly change their name and have their records wiped.

Datun · 25/07/2017 15:11

uktrans.info/attachments/article/180/DBS-check-for-transgender-persons.pdf

Will I have to reveal my previous names when I apply for a DBS check?
The law requires that you disclose all of your previous names and addresses to the DBS so that they can correctly process your application. The DBS does however have a process whereby you can disclose your previous gender/name to the DBS only and not reveal this on the CBS application form. This is known as the ‘Sensitive Applications Process’. This process ensures that your information is handled sensitively and securely by the DBS and not revealed to the person who asked you to apply.

BelaLugosisShed · 25/07/2017 15:40

But that suggests to me that The DBS will not cross check names unless given the information by an (honest) applicant - the employer will just do a normal DBS check, completely unaware that the applicant has / hasn't contacted the DBS themselves.
If a gender changed individual would show up on the DBS database as both the original and new identity, why would they need input from the applicant?

BelaLugosisShed · 25/07/2017 15:44

AFAIK, deed poll name changes show up on normal records, people with GRC have their records sealed, including NHS records.

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