Clue (Period Tracking App) has drunk the Kool-Aid

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(Stolen from Reddit)

I have this app, but I will be deleting it now and I will tell them why!

We really need to vote with our feet with stuff like this. It is unacceptable!

I thought doula meant servant, rather than slave?

And how do you pronounce doulx?

Do you want your niblings present for the birth of their cousin?

(Doula project)

Sounds like: (Assuming gender based on genitalia / organs) She needs a caesarean section, STAT.

This was my favourite part. Because if you need an emergency c-section, obviously the most important thing at that point is your pronouns

Also, I still do not understand how someone can be simultaneously a) so dysphoric that using the wrong pronoun is actual violence and they need to bind their boobs, yet b) happy to go through pregnany, childbirth and breast-feeding which are the most female activities possible in life and involve exclusively female organs.

Also peri i want to ask is this based on any actual complaints made to hospitals and doctors that the "wrong" pronouns were used or is this someone who has gone on a mad thought exercise and decided to write all this rubbish? As you say how can they and yet get pregnant and give birth? Surely it's just someone taking the trans narrative to the extreme? I honestly can't understand that someone could think that way about themselves. The cognitive dissonance is mind blowing.

Sorry, badly written but you get my point.

Surely it's just someone taking the trans narrative to the extreme?

I wonder about this. Is it actually something that activists are officially pushing, or is it people falling over themselves not to offend?

On the other hand, you do get a lot of this shit online.

BMacklin Personally, I consider trans to be a subtype of body dysmorphia and I think eventually it'll be seen that way.

It is only the association with the gay community that has lent credibility. Nobody wants to be responsible for anything that smacks of the horrors of gay conversion therapy. Therefore everyone has gone too far the other way.

Additionally, many older males are living as female for a sexual thrill of some kind. They are then recruiting young, dysphoric people to their lifestyle.

All those make me angry Datun but the first is appalling -plenty of adult human females struggle to get pregnant but they would NEVER insist mother's day "marginalises" them. The wording is like they feel the world has gone out of it's way to upset them.

peri I think I agree with you and they have hitched their wagon to the legitimate LGB community. I don't see how they can't see the implications of allowing that however. Even if they (lgb) originally thought it was a good idea surely the utter rot they spout like this now undermines their cause?

I think about this a lot lately and it was my nieces' want to be Ftt that first got me interested. My sister is gay and they had a conversation where my Ftt neice, after coming out as trans, said to my sister something along the lines of "do you think I'm weird for wanting this" and my sister said she couldn't say anything as "look at me" i.e. I'm gay so who I'm I to judge. This makes me think that you are correct peri and people worry that if they question it then they are questioning gay people too. If the legitimacy of trans is based on a feeling and one being gay is based on a feeling and one accepts gay as ok then one must accept trans as ok.

Urgh and I just realised I wrote "coming out as trans". A sentence usually reserved for gay people.

Bangs head on desk.

BMacklin

The difference between being gay and being trans is huge. Although I totally agree with you that the trans lobby have hijacked the goodwill engendered by constant and effective campaigning by the LGB community. I also think they are getting pissed off with it.

It is completely accepted that being gay is innate. The causes of gender dysphoria might well innate, or it might be down to circumstances, but claiming someone born male has always been female is patently nonsense.

In addition, the LGB community did not clash over rights. They campaigned for their own specific laws. They were not trying to appropriate the rights of another group. And they don't need extensive surgery and lifelong medication in order to be gay.

I read an interesting article about the profile of the parents of young people who come out as trans.

Interestingly they said a significant proportion of parents are gay. This could be because those are the people who responded to the survey, though.

Although it does make sense to me. Men transition in order to gain something, their fantasy version of womanhood. Women transition to escape this exact version.

Lesbians are persecuted by TRAs far more than any other group. And I should imagine their children are only too well aware of this.

Oh yes I agree trans and gay aren't the same I was just trying to understand the "logic" behind people's apparently blind acceptance, and the mental leap to alter an app like this.

BMacklin

I do see a significant backlash from the LGBT community, particularly the L.

But then I will read something elsewhere which makes me wonder quite how significant the objection really is.

It's depressing.

I've seen the opposite too though. For example, Owen Jones (a gay man) wrote in The Guardian that lesbians should sleep with trans women. Also, discussions regarding dating trans women are banned from the real lesbians sub Reddit because "trans women are women".

BMacklin (how's the FBI? ...if that's a reference to what I think it is and not just your name )

I would love to help! It looks fantastic. I'm absolutely overloaded for the next few weeks but would be happy to get in touch when I have a bit of free time if that works for you?

Datun
There is so much wrong with those tweets but they're rendering me so angry and saddened that I can't articulate the long, long list of how cruel and wrong they are.

Holy fuck! It's not ok to tell anyone they 'should' have sex with a specific group. Some bi women do sleep with trans women. Some lesbians might, might not, I'd expect it's rarer. Wouldn't it be up to them? How the shit does it even affect him?

If I recall correctly, Owen Jones (a gay man) was advocating that lesbians give blowjobs to transwomen. He couldn't see anything wrong with it. Because you know, transwomen are women.

This was on Twitter.

And somebody helpfully suggested, that in that case, he wouldn't mind giving cunnilingus to a transman, right? Them being men an all.

He was horrified (duh).

Unfortunately, he quickly recovered, deleted the comment and then backpedalled like mad.

HAAAaaaaaaaa. Ha

So you have transwomen who are attracted to men (so gay, in my opinion). They will go for gay men.

Then you have transwomen who become lesbians because they remain attracted to women (and are therefore straight in my opinion).

Do you ever get transwomen who pursue straight men?

Did you ever hear of it?

Are straight men being coerced into sleeping with transwomen?

I know that a lot of (pubgoing) straight men think this is an issue

In what way? Are they being targeted?

No! Lol, no. They worry they might. It's only a certain subcategory of guy though.. But there are a lot of them.

There must be lots of MTTs who are attracted to men. Men, however, tend to be more able to defend themselves from unwanted sexual attention and have their preferences respected than lesbians, so are mostly left alone.

Yep, there is that... I once had a 6 and a half foot bloke explain to me that I was morally wrong to learn martial arts for self defence (could already fight, needed finesse) because and I quote "I always find that talking resolves conflict"

Yep. Very, VERY easy for a whomping great bloke like that to say. I've HAD to break things to avoid getting hurt on multiple occasions. My father told me "I'd rather visit you in prison than hospital or the morgue". Good man.

From what I understand, MtTs who are attracted to men have their goal set on straight men. In the studies I have read, transitioning is a means to achieve that. If I'm a woman, I'll get my 'tall, dark, handsome stranger'.

Personally, it seems a bit pie in the sky. Because they also say that they might attract someone for sex, but they don't get to meet the friends or family or be seen in public. So they might attract a 'straight' man who is perhaps internally homophobic, or just 'experimenting'. Either way, it sounds less than satisfactory.

The other thing that comes across quite heavily for me is that almost all the reasons men transition have do with sex of some description. Whether it's a fetish, or the pursuit of a relationship with their ideal fantasy person.

It never ceases to amaze me how the born in the wrong body narrative has been spun to create some kind of esoteric disguise.

Women's bullshit radar has been finely honed over millennia.

They trust it. I trust it. This is all about ze sex.