"Science Teacher" TransCult

[LilacMarin19]

Is it just me who thinks this is a ridiculous statement for a science teacher to make?

Surely a science teacher can tell the difference between natural transsexualism in animals - where their physiology has evolved to be as such - and intersex humans who have been born with chromosomal abnormalities!? How are the two comparable when one is a deviance from normative human biology (essentially a birth defect, although I know that word has stigma attached to it, I do not mean it to be derogatory), and the other is a completely natural transformation of sex for that species? How is this person a science teacher?

To me, this is like saying it's perfectly normal for a human to be born blind because HEY, moles are blind!! But the key difference is moles have evolved to be blind, humans have not - to be blind in a human is to have a disability, whereas to be blind in a mole is to simply be a mole.

Apples and oranges...

Sorry for the rant but I've just been called 'stupid' and 'ignorant' for my above response to this image; apparently other people cannot see a difference between natural transsexualism and having an intersex condition. Not only that but this was all to back up the transgender movement - but yet again there's a world of difference between a natural sex transformation and a surgical one!?

Be warned, it gets worse...

What really frustrated me in this exchange was how when I mentioned that no human can literally change their sex, I got "As we speak scientists are developing artifical uterusses and eggs, and Pseudo-sperm produced from bone marrow". Now, I don't even have to look into whether those arguments are even valid to know that ARTIFICIAL and PSEUDO = NOT REAL.

I've even heard a transgendered woman claiming that as she can have sex with her neo-vagina, then it is a functioning vagina. No, it's a surgical wound that can be penetrated, it is not even a vagina - let alone a 'functioning' one. If you have to dilate your "vagina" just so the skin won't sew itself back together then how is it a real vagina? Ludicrous, I honestly cannot believe it has come to this.

Am I losing my damn mind?

I just wanna say sorry if anything I say is offensive or anything. I considered myself very libfem for a while and have only recently started to slide over to a more radical ideology, even then I wouldn't say I'm all the way there yet.

This board does seem rife with radfems though, I feel a bit sorry for libfems who come on here😂

There's no need to say sorry. I respect differing views, I just give my own to add to the discussion.

I was very lib fem myself up until a few years ago. Im more and more concerned at the impact of trans issues on women though and my eyes have been opened to a lot of concerning developments.

I just can't get on the Blaire appreciation team for the reasons I've outlined.

to go back to the OP....just because someone says they are a science teacher, doesn't necessarily mean they are. Even if they were and their area was, say, chemistry, that doesn't give them any authority to speak about biology.

Infinity, so would you say the idea of aggression and dominance/competitiveness in men linked to testosterone etc is part of sex?

I would agree with infinity, to a point. Just look at male horses and bulls. I think the way we minimise, excuse and accept male aggression is down to nurture though.

Yes obviously socialisation and culture play a role. I just wanted to state my view that biological differences = hormonal differences = things like testosterone linked to higher levels of aggression.

I suspect they aren't a biology teacher. Or surely they would have stressed that.

Apparently this science teacher decided to write this after she saw someone post a 'transphobic' (which wasn't actually transphobic at all imo) meme on facebook.

I'm not sure how listing a bunch of intersex disorders is defending people from transphobia but I do know that as someone with an intersex disorder that I found what was written downright offensive and ignorant.

I am not a third sex or a variation or whatever other offensive BS the TRA's are trying to claim we are. I am still a woman...a woman with a chromosomal abnormality who doesn't have a womb, is infertile and has never had a period and with several health issues as a result of my disorder...but still a woman regardless.

The comments on that post also made me want to smash my head against a keyboard too. How can so many people just willingly accept something a stranger on the internet says without applying any critical thought at all?

It clearly isn't a real vagina but a poor facsimile. Just goes to show you how they view a vagina though, as a hole for penetration.

I've actually read some pretty disturbing stuff suggesting that TIMs who have had their penis inverted thing that their "vagina" is superior as it is cleaner. It's pretty messed up being so misogynistic and yet trying to transform into a facsimile of what you despise so much.

"But with hormone treatment a male cannot become female, because "female" hormones work on female sexed bodies in a different way to male bodies."
Excellent point!

Apart from rereading 'Testosterone Rex' by Cordelia Fine (winner of a major Royal Society book prize this year, hurrah!), but being a professional scientist (not in a biological or medical area but when has that ever stopped us pontificating at length :-)) -- I'm pondering when this testosterone=maleness=aggression=intellectual capacity, ability to do maths, and knowing how to use a lawnmower and appreciate steam-engines, and oestrogen= pink and fluffiness and inability to read a map stuff came in. A quick google and we have the 1880s, where people already believed that males and females were fundamentally different, so went looking for the 'vital male essence' (some combo of sperm and/or extracts from testicles I presume) that caused all of the wonderful male abilities. Hence the 'monkey glands' referred to in a Sherlock Holmes story, where an aging man took them to try and recover his youth and 'vitality' (think victorian viagra), and instead became more like a monkey (does monkeys a disservice BTW, it was "The Adventure of the Creeping Man", 1923).

Hence the still-prevalent idea that tesosterone=essential maleness, and lack of testosterone (plus maybe some oestrogen)= essential femaleness. The whole complicated hormonal stuff in humans is ignored. Was also used BTW, to supposedly 'explain' homosexuality, although seems to have swung between extra testosterone equals ultra-male equals male homosexuality, and lack of testosterone equals more feminine equals gay man. Plus a bit of butch lesbianism a la Stephen Gordon in 'The Well of Loneliness' is obviously caused by excess testosterone somewhere (hence finger length ratios and prenatal testosterone exposure and people measuring dykes finger lengths at gay pride -- stop sniggering at the back there!).

Hence why trans advocates still sticking to the swap the hormones and the brains will feel better (since they actually have a 'female' brain in a male body so obviously need the proper hormones to feel right!), that trans is some hidden intersex condition and so on.

All of which rests on the basic ideas that men and women are fundamentally different in the head, that wanting to do things that are usually associated with the other sex (like love women, appreciate steam engines, read maps, be able to do maths and physics) means that I must have some testosteroney nonsense in my past, or that some discomfort or friction between your physical body and your social role and expectations can be sorted by a hormone swap job.............