GE feminism stylee

[BeyondUser24601]

So, hold-your-nose on feminism and vote for who?
As there is not a single actual feminist option out there... :(

Okidoki.

Scottishdiem, the GE absolutely is about local issues. Nicola Sturgeon claims she has a mandate for a second indyref because the majority of Scots voted for pro indy parties in the last GE.

So anyone (the 55%) who doesn't want a second indyref would be best to vote for a unionist party this time. It's not about who's doing the best job etc, it's about Brexit in England and Indy in Scotland.

Thank you very much Flavia and BeyondUser. I'll have a proper look and read of that this afternoon (first day back at school after Easter is delaying my looking into it)! From what I can already tell I think I'm going to be rather disappointed by the WEP and can see why so many are here...

IAmAmy I joined WEP full of hope. It was squished pretty sharpish

Bath WEP appear to be run by fifteen year old SJWs high on poundshop energy drinks.

morris that made me laugh 😁

How disappointing all that is on the WEP. Seems almost as if they're so worried about receiving abuse online from the vocal group of people who'd label themselves "intersectional feminists" (which seems to pretty much entail shouting at people whilst calling them "TERFs" or "SWERFs") they felt the need to assert this.

I can sort of see why it happens, as any feminist or movement for women gets shouted down by such people if they don't "centre trans women" (I actually think I saw some [white] people online labelling the WEP "white feminism" before they came out with all this) but it's very disappointing. I can see it's difficult for them to navigate this though. So many would bombard them with abuse no matter what topic they were raising awareness if they didn't say all this, but saying it means they're not really a "women's" party (seeing as they also deny the biological reality of what women are).

For Scottish separatists, this election is a gift. Of course they'll say, "Want to be European? Then stop being British!" Anyone in Scotland who disagrees will vote Tory, and the annihilation of Labour there will be total.

Meanwhile, since Labour has utterly failed to look credible as a potential government, it'll suffer more losses in England and Wales too. The Conservatives will grind what's left of it (what's left of Labour, ha ha) into powder under the heels of their expensive shoes.

I should have added "This doesn't look good for women, regardless of who has the top jobs" although I'd hope for more from the Scot Nats than the Tories.

I'll never vote for the tories but Ruth Davidson is a formidable politician and I bet she increases the tory vote share.

I like her.

Daft question, but why does being impressed with Ruth Davidson mean voting Tory in the general election? She may be the leader of the Scottish Conservative & Unionist party (i.e. technically, a separate party from the English Conservative party), but she still takes orders from the Westminster party. She can lead on devolved issues being discussed at Holyrood, and she's damned good at getting under Sturgeon's skin, but she's been left hopelessly defending Tory policies. I have a lot of respect for her as a politician, but while she's still subordinate to the Westminster party, I can't vote for her party in the General Election, and that's before seeing who the party puts forward as a candidate in my constituency.

I would consider voting Conservative in the elections for the Scottish parliament, but the local Tory candidate is an incompetent, in-bred arse-hole, so that won't be happening either

Going to be interesting to see who the parties do put forward as candidates as no-one was expecting an early GE, so all their 'best' candidates would have been put forward at the Scottish parliament elections.

I'll be voting for whoever is likely to get our local Tory out. All the parties are pretty poor. However, the Tories are, in my opinion, the most anti-women. They are the ones who brought in the cuts which have overwhelmingly had a negative effect on women and children. If the Tories stay in power, things are only going to get worse. Well, they might get worse anyway, but less worse than they could have. The Tories are the ones that led us into this Brexit Shit Storm.

I think I will have to be Labour - the seat is tory or labour and I can't bear for my lib dem vote not to count. But will the usual rules apply or now Labour is in disarray will previous 'two horse race' seats now become wide open?

I almost wish I could vote for a not-Tory not-Brexit option that was coordinated...but then I have to remind myself one of my issues with the brexit referendum was people didn't vote FOR something they voted for NOT something (EU) a process which I dislike on principle because it gives the winners a wide open mandate. As per May and her hard brexit.

I dunno. I think Labour and hold my nose?...

It's unfair to say "The Tories are the ones that led us into this Brexit Shit Storm." It was decided by a public referendum (happy memory!) which nobody expected would succeed, and if you recall, the Prime Minister at the time resigned rather than face implementing something he didn't believe in. Plus, maybe he felt ashamed at failing to predict the result or not doing anything effective to stop it. Theresa May took over with a promise to implement the result of the public vote, and she's doing it.

Let's not blame politicians for things that come right from us, ordinary people. Or if not from Mumsnet FWR contributors, then our next door neighbours. As they said in Eastern Europe when the Communist governments were falling, "They should depose the people and elect new ones."

The weird thing about the Green party is that women actually do rather well in terms of equality, despite the fact that many party policies are inadvertently misogynistic and, in some cases, make it seem that women aren't actually a class of people in their own right.

TeiTetua The Tories put the promise of a referendum on the EU in their manifesto to placate their backbenchers, subdue UKIP and cement the 2015 General Election win. In that sense they are the ones who lead us towards it. Cameron resigned because he'd put his own political career/cementing his own power above what he himself claimed to believe was best for the country, lead a pathetically lacklustre campaign to remain in the EU and found his gamble that his "negotiations" with the EU would be seen as a success and the remain vote was guaranteed fail to pay off.

Teitura I meant just as IAmAmy said. If there hadn't been a referendum there wouldn't have been Brexit.

Well, all right then. Yes, the Tories made the referendum happen, but their leaders fully expected it to lose. One of the most dismal parts of the business was seeing how they obviously had no plan at all, once the voting went the other way! It was all supposed to go away, and the people who'd wanted it could be told to shut up. Let's just be clear that the majority of the (voting) people wanted Brexit, not the government.

Anyway, heigh ho for the next disaster.

For Scottish separatists, this election is a gift. Of course they'll say, "Want to be European? Then stop being British!" Anyone in Scotland who disagrees will vote Tory, and the annihilation of Labour there will be total

Except I think a lot of people I know who voted remain and were shocked by Brexit were in despair as much at the thought of how Sturgeon would spin it as anything else. I don't know anyone who was No to independence who has changed their mind.

And what was the point of the pointless gesture by SNP MPs abstaining in the vote in the Commons to call an election?

Quentin - I didn't know that about lib dem members. I might do the same. Also I live in the same profile seat as you (wondering if we are neighbours)

Pm me rex
The LDs are getting a bit of stick at the moment for being misogynist, problem is if no women join and vote on their policies then it's a vicious circle.
Perhaps we should all join and make it the new WEP?

Labour - JC, toxic idealism

What is meant by "toxic idealism"?

What is meant by "toxic idealism"?

A complete inability to compromise.
Rigidly holding to principles no matter what.
A complete inability to see the bigger picture.

Essentially the inability to see that half a loaf today is better than never ever having the whole loaf but at least you have your principles to sustain you.

Example - the absolute refusal to share a platform with Cameron or any Conservative mp during Brexit. As if "catching the Toryism" were the political equivalent of homophobes "catching the gay"

Compare and contrast with the effective and united Better Together campaign. My heart sinks at the idea of another indy campaign with Corbyn refusing to sully his principles.

Example - the absolute refusal to share a platform with Cameron or any Conservative mp during Brexit.

This one baffles me.....it was a Tory/Cameron mistake/idiocy on an historic/epic level. Shouldn't the discussion be firmly rooted in this?

Here's some more news. Sophie Walker of WEP is standing against Philip Davies in Shipley.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/apr/23/sophie-walker-shipley-election-2017-yorkshire-tory-philip-davies