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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

My ex is trans

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Chamomiletea · 11/04/2017 08:17

Just as the tile says. She (formerly he) is the kindest most thoughtful person I had ever met and looking back was clearly very uncomfortable with any touching of his/her penis.

The thought of her being threatening to anyone is beyond me.

Is the trans debate I am just learning about on here only in the internet world/UK? She is the only trans I know and I just feel genuinely saddened that she was so depressed for so long.

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GuardianLions · 12/04/2017 09:37

BTW op I don't think spending your girlfriend's inheritance on 'gender reassignment' surgery is a very nice or harmless thing to do.

Datun · 12/04/2017 09:59

WobblyLegs5

All great points.

Apart from the transing of children, I would have no interest in, and zero problem with, the trans-ideology if it didn't affect women as a class.

I don't go on pro ana sites or trans-able sites and attempt to deconstruct their arguments in order to point out the irrationality of their premise.

I wouldn't even bother even addressing the misleading and illogical aspects of the trans-ideology, if it wasn't loaded with misogyny. Even then (I don't go onto MRA sites) I wouldn't bother.

It's ^only% because it is a direct threat to women and their rights.

I do get fed up with people asking why do you care?

If they left woman and children alone, I wouldn't give a toss.

Prawnofthepatriarchy · 12/04/2017 10:38

Same here, Datun. When I first encountered a transwoman I felt nothing but sympathy. It was only when aggressive transactivists started doing things and making claims that harm women and children that I started to rethink. I explored a bit and came across the cotton ceiling. That was what made me hit peak trans - that moment when you can't go along with the agenda one step more.

Since then, the more I've discovered the more toxic the transactivists appear.

I suspect - hope - that It's the scandal of child transition that will first start a rethink. However, judging by another thread about transwomen competing against women in sports, there's already a pushback from coaches, athletes and fans. Everyone can see that men competing against women - and, inevitably, beating them - is unfair. Girls in countries which have scholarships linked to sporting excellence are being cheated out what may be their only chance at university. International women's events are being won by transwomen and people aren't just lying down. They're angry.

So there are various fronts on which people are starting to push back. The trouble is that, once the facts get out sport, about child transition, it's likely to erode the sympathy most well meaning people currently feel towards trans people, and people like OP's ex will suffer.

And once they're exposed to what the trans agenda really is, people aren't happy. We see it on MN often. Posters who have gone along with the idea that trans people are a sort of super gay hear some arguments, read some links, and suddenly understand why we're worried.

Our allies are facts, logic and the words and acts of transactivists.

IllBeBackMaybe · 12/04/2017 11:33

Any man who says he is a woman or vice versa, obviously holds sexist views about what women or men are. I have sympathy for individuals who genuinely dislike their body to such a large degree that they feel the need to drastically change it, to 'present' as the opposite sex, it's the claim that they actually are the opposite sex that I cannot agree to.

Those who do really suffer clearly need help, but I don't think surgery and hormones are the right solution. The current message that we should change our bodies rather than working to change society is toxic IMO.

Prawnofthepatriarchy · 12/04/2017 11:40

ChamomileTea, you ask why anyone would knowingly put themselves through horrible surgery, and the answer for many transwomen appears to be sex, sex, sex.

It's a cliché. The man who dumps his wife and kids for a girl the age of his daughter and a sports car. The highly respected politician caught downloading child sex abuse images. The evangelical minister and the rent boy.

Middle aged men are prone to wrecking their lives over a sexual compulsion. When gender dysphoria is not the motive for transition, plain old sexual obsession is.

user1487175389 · 12/04/2017 11:54

chamomile I have a question for your friend. Please tell her that I'm the mother of three children. I've given birth three times. I started menstruating at 11 & lost my virginity at 16, in the usual PIV manner. I was sexually assaulted at 17, and again repeatedly in my twenties. Despite all these things involving either my female sexual organs or secondary sexual characteristics, I am not 'feminine'. I've never related to that word at all. I do not 'feel like a woman'. However, I know that none of the above could have happened to me as they did if I hadn't been biologically female. Therefore I know I am female. (I'm getting to the question). So what exactly does your friend feel we have in common, beyond our shared humanity and right to dignity? In what sense are we 'both women'?

Datun · 12/04/2017 16:31

In what sense are we 'both women'?

I have never yet seen an answer to that question that doesn't either resort to sexual stereotypes of clothing, hair, etc, or an internal 'essence'.

I'm perfectly willing to believe that the brain structure of someone with gender dysphoria is different to those without.

I read an article a few weeks ago that stimulating part of the brain can help people with anorexia. So it makes sense.

Maybe the hormone mix is different. Who knows?

But I have yet to see any evidence whatsoever that male and female brains are so different that you can ascribe behaviour and characteristics on that basis and that some awful biological catastrophe could make a human be born with male DNA and genitals but a female brain.

And even if you could, that would still be beneficial. Get everyone tested and diagnosed and throw out all the weirdos.

Prawnofthepatriarchy · 12/04/2017 17:16

It's your last paragraph that poses the challenge for the transactivists, Datun. Because if a foolproof diagnostic test was developed for a "pink brain" or genuine dysphoria, how many would be willing to take part? I'd guess only the truscum would expect a test to endorse their dysphoria. The fetishists who make up most of the huge rise in transwomen wouldn't want to be exposed, as it would delegitimize their claim.

Datun · 12/04/2017 17:39

The fetishists who make up most of the huge rise in transwomen wouldn't want to be exposed, as it would delegitimize their claim.

Exactly. Next time I engage I might mention that scientists are on the brink of a test.

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