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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Response from my MP re MM's gender identity bill

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Gallavich · 28/03/2017 23:27

Anyone else want to share here?
@italiangreyhound

Response from my MP re MM's gender identity bill
Response from my MP re MM's gender identity bill
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Datun · 30/03/2017 14:01

Are a few rants on the Jess Phillips loved-in thread.

nauticant · 30/03/2017 22:02

I owe my MP an apology for my post above. I just received a reply and, in addition to them apologising for their delay, they said they'd raised the issue with Caroline Dinenage MP who apparently is the responsible minister and I'll get a fuller response once my MP has heard back from CD. Let's see.

Datun · 30/03/2017 23:27

nauticant

Last December my MP forwarded my (first) letter to Caroline Dinenage. She sent me back a reply with a photocopied sheet saying how businesses, schools, pubs etc have to let people in loos according to their gender identity.

She also said that the very existence of AGP was 'controversial'.

So I wouldn't hold out much hope. Although it would be interesting to know whether or not opinions have evolved given mainstream media's new questioning of the trans agenda.

nauticant · 31/03/2017 08:09

Ah, that's useful to know. Still, at least I've got a chance to engage with my MP and if I receive a similarly blinkered and unthinking response I can ask "do you really believe this yourself when the potential consequence is X*".

The main thing is that some MPs get prompted to think about this for themselves rather than going with the herd because it's safe and to do otherwise would be "difficult".

  • or maybe XY
EmpressOfTheSpartacusOceans · 31/03/2017 18:08

Vicky Foxcroft
Member of Parliament for Lewisham Deptford

I'm SO relieved to see that.

She's my MP too and I've sent several emails & received disappointing or non-existent replies. Looks like she is listening after all!

Gaspode, is there any chance you could post Justine Greening's response?

egosumquisum1 · 31/03/2017 18:34

You might find this interesting

www.nytimes.com/2017/03/30/us/north-carolina-senate-acts-to-repeal-restrictive-bathroom-law.html

Gov. Roy Cooper, a Democrat, signed legislation repealing the law after it was approved by the Republican-controlled legislature. House Bill 2 had restricted the ability of municipalities to enact anti-discrimination policies and required transgender people in government and public buildings to use the bathroom that corresponds with the gender on their birth certificate.

In addition to repealing House Bill 2, the new law gives the General Assembly the sole power to regulate access to “multiple occupancy restrooms, showers or changing facilities.” It also creates a moratorium on local nondiscrimination ordinances through 2020.

On Thursday, the American Civil Liberties Union and Lambda Legal, a gay rights group, called the compromise a “fake” repeal bill that “keeps in place the most harmful parts of the law.” The Human Rights Campaign and other gay rights groups called the deal “shameful” and accused the governor and the legislature of engaging in a “sell out” of lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender people.

Some religious and cultural conservatives denounced the removal of transgender bathroom provisions. Tony Perkins, president of the Family Research Council, based in Washington, said the compromise showed that “elected officials are ultimately willing to surrender to the courts and the N.C.A.A. on matters of safety and public policy.” Others argued that girls and women would be robbed of privacy and dignity if forced to confront biological men in restrooms.

Under the new law, transgender people in state government buildings will not be prohibited from using a bathroom that does not match the gender on their birth certificate. Mr. Cooper emphasized the impact on school children. “Now transgender kids aren’t subject to the horrible requirement and embarrassment that could put them in more danger of being bullied or preyed on,” he said.

The Obama-era Justice Department had issued guidelines to public schools stating that denying students the ability to use the restrooms of their choice violated Title IX, the 1972 federal law that prohibits sex discrimination in education. A Virginia case that might have settled the matter was scheduled to be heard by the United States Supreme Court, but when President Trump’s Justice Department rescinded the guidelines, the justices in March sent it back to a lower court to decide.

Jane Wettach, a law professor at Duke, said that beyond schools, few institutions had ever policed people’s bathroom choices. “Which is what made the law sort of symbolic,” she said, referring to House Bill 2.

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egosumquisum1 · 31/03/2017 20:32

exit

You seem to be having a problem posting. That's the second time I've seen you do a blank post on a trans thread.

ExitPursuedByUser54321 · 31/03/2017 20:40

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ExitPursuedByUser54321 · 31/03/2017 21:59

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Gallavich · 31/03/2017 22:13

Exit
Did you just get empty posts deleted for breaking talk guidelines?
Truly, mumsnet is eating itself

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egosumquisum1 · 31/03/2017 22:17

Truly, mumsnet is eating itself

Strange. You'd almost think exit wanted to say something but she'd been warned by MNHQ not to say it so she posted blank posts instead.

Gallavich · 31/03/2017 22:23

Bit paranoid ego
and if that were the case - you reported her for thinking something but not actually posting it? And mumsnet deleted posts for that reason? That's utterly insane

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egosumquisum1 · 31/03/2017 22:25

and if that were the case - you reported her for thinking something but not actually posting it

I just pointed out what seemed to be happening. Not the first time it's happened. It wasn't a problem. Just a bit strange.

That's utterly insane

Some might say that posting a blank post is a bit strange.

ExitPursuedByUser54321 · 31/03/2017 22:26

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msrisotto · 31/03/2017 22:28

Sometimes people post a . or a blank post when they are marking their place on a thread. Which means that they don't really want to contribute, but they want the thread to appear on their 'threads i'm on' list, for ease of future reading.

msrisotto · 31/03/2017 22:30

egosumquisum1 · 31/03/2017 22:30

exit

And I wonder why I was warned

For posting two words
And men

Well, that's not why I reported you. I reported you because you kept saying "ITS NOT ABOUT YOU' everytime I posted.

ExitPursuedByUser54321 · 31/03/2017 22:34

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NormaStanleyFletcher · 31/03/2017 22:47

Bizarre deletions here. I agreed with everything @EXIT said in those posts at 2040 and 2149

Lemonsarenottheonly · 31/03/2017 22:48

FFS Ego, you didn't report a blank post? Everything isn't about you, Jesus wept, get a fucking life

dementedcommuter · 31/03/2017 22:50

They can't delete our MPs and the public waking up though can they? Even India W agrees that Dear Dennis J Riley and Danielle Muscato are somewhat of a gift to us. Who needs Terfs? They are doing our jobs for us. Watch it all implode, the only shame is true transsexuals will suffer. Let's be here to support them as people with dismporthia and get them their safe spaces, equality and rights.

SuffolkNWhat · 31/03/2017 22:50

Er Exit's post wasn't blank. At least I could see what was there. Wish I had screenshot it now but it didn't warrant deletion.

egosumquisum1 · 31/03/2017 22:52

Maybe you should ask why MNQ deleted a blank post.

Ask yourself what the context of exits posting history was. MNHQ can see it. MNHQ know her previous deletion and warning history.

You can't.

ExitPursuedByUser54321 · 31/03/2017 22:57

Oh ego.

Bless your little cotton socks.

I am not your enemy. And it is so sweet that you think I am.