New male contraceptive jab , 100% effective and lasts two years.

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www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4198256/New-male-contraceptive-100-success-rate.html
"New male contraceptive jab that works for TWO YEARS: One-off 'reversible vasectomy' injection had 100% success rate with no side effects"

Good news?

There is no make contraception because when they started the latest trial for the male pill, they had to stop the trial as the side effects were too serious. Except that said side effects are actually the same than the ones of the pill millions of women take everyday. And are told to just cope with it as there is no other alternative.

Very promising.

I think it would be useful in a long term relationship mostly, where you could go with your partner and know he's had it. I wouldn't trust a new man I was dating to tell the truth!

The dose is what is required, for as long as required - so 75% of the time for a combined pill, and for a phasic pill it's the highest dose op for only a few days. For a male pill it would be needed 100% of the time, and at the highest (well, only effective) dose all the time. The level of hormone required has side effects significantly higher than those of female contraception (to get 96% effectiveness in reducing (not stopping) sperm production to a level consistent with infertility: for a trialled injectable, the side effect rate was around 50%, the trial had a high drop out rate, and there were questions about reversibility, as about 5% had not recovered normal sperm production after a year)

But, there is still work going on about the precise action of spermatogenesis, the roles of all the hormones and associated structures (sertoli cells) which may disrupt maturation, or produce a biological version of a 'block' preventing normal release. Some initiatives produce promising lines for further study, but I don't think any are close to an actual method.

Personally I'd have no problem with this. Quite a few sexist comments already made though, even the first reply! I guess some people are just really keen to criticise men for what they think we'll do before we even do it.

Yes, the acceptability of side effects are scaled differently for men and for women, because for women it's taken in consideration with the risks to her of pregnancy.

However, the level of side effects reported (including inability to resume normal sperm production) are not trivial, and are commoner than in the female users of hormonal contraception.

Slarti... if you're referring to Ovaries' comments, she is merely repeating things that men have said about contraception on this board and elsewhere. So yes, I'd agree they're sexist, but not that ovaries is being sexist. So, not criticising men for what they might say, but for what they already have said.

All.men of course being exactly the same...

I would be impressed if the science stacks up. But it shouldnt be an issue for those on this board who hate all men and so are unlikely to have sex with someone they hate.

This is brilliant. We were saying only the other night how our ideal contraceptive method would be something that made DH temporarily infertile, for say 5 years. At the end of that time we'd really know if we've completed our family or not and he could consider vasectomy.

Neither of us want me on hormonal contraceptive, I suffer pretty bad side effects. And we hate using condoms. I wish this was available now!

Presumably there's still a long way to go for this gel block idea, as they've only done non-human trials so far. I don't think they've done any follow up about regaining fertility after flushing out the gel yet either. It is an interesting idea if it pans out in the long run. My DP might be more likely to go for this over a vasectomy, depending on how long it lasts.

The science pretty much stacks up, but as noted in posts above, reversibility can be an issue. I wonder if it's connected in any way to how some men, post-vasectomy reversal, simply do not produce normal sperm in normal quantities sperm again. It's possible that, once production or transit is interfered with, sperm production just turns off in some men.

If 5% of women who took the pill became permanently infertile (depending on how you interpret scae's stat) then I doubt it would be seen as the sort of choice it is now.

There have been human trials of RISUG, in India (various, from 1997 to about 2005) but a number of these needed to be repeated to fit the international standards for the development of a new product.

It's promising.

I thought there were mutterings that long term use of the pill can be linked to PCOS so can affect fertility.

The trouble is the contraceptive pill in women was rolled out so quickly so fast I don't believe we even know now how severe the side effects can be.

So widely* so fast

But it shouldnt be an issue for those on this board who hate all men and so are unlikely to have sex with someone they hate.

For posters who hate all men isnt it strange that there are many posts saying DH/DP.

Xenophile

There's a few comments actually, and they are all predicting what men will say about this rather than what they've said about other things. It's antagonistic and divisive. I came here to say what a good development this is and felt like I'd been attacked before I'd even posted, as I'm sure you would if you clicked on a thread to see multiple negative messages of the type "cue the wimmin/feminazis saying..."

I cant predict what anyone will say but I can repeat what I have already heard them say. There is a difference.

Seems you are looking to be offended.

Or some are looking to offend.

Yep that must be it.

Excellent news! As a mother of sons, this makes me v. hopeful.wonder when if it will actually take off? Dh would be an ideal candidate.

Interesting. I'm lucky that dh sees contraception as both our responsibility and we will definitely look into this.

Sadly, I think most men will see it as an insult to their masculinity and refuse.

"But it shouldnt be an issue for those on this board who hate all men and so are unlikely to have sex with someone they hate."

Yawn.

I'll flag it to DH. Would be nice to have a break from the pill.

Slarti, I have that experience every single day on social media, but I can understand how jarring it must have been for you if it's your first experience of it. I used Ovaries as an exemplar because you did. My apologies for having upset you.

Special... we do so value your pithy bon mots on random threads, they show what a delightfully eccentric reading comprehension ability you have. No one here hates men in the way you so patently hate women, but thanks for showing Slarti a tiny example of what women have to put up with from the terminally ignorant.

This is very promising, DH has just asked if he can volunteer for the trial to get first dibs. Something like this would make our lives much easier right now, I can't take hormonal contraceptives and the copper coil is also a no go, DH has offered to have a vasectomy but I don't think we should go ahead just yet (I'm still on the fence about having another one). A two year contraceptive would be grand, giving us plenty of time to decide one way or any other.

Xenophile, sorry you've experienced that on social media from other men. Repaying in kind or supporting those who do isn't the answer though surely. Like I said, it's sexist, antagonistic and divisive, and the fact we are quibbling about it rather than agreeing it wasn't nice gives certain people ammunition.

"if you use them religiously and correctly every single time

That's the same as the contraceptive pill though. "

It isn't. The pill does need to be used properly but, for most users, missing one pill will not result in a pregnancy, as the chemicals hang around in the reproductive system for a bit longer. Plus, if not on the mini pill, there's some leeway when you take it etc.

If the condom splits or slips, that's more likely to result in pregnancy.

(Time of month dependent)