"Chestfeeding"

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This was shared on my fb.

www.romper.com/p/9-reasons-why-i-call-it-chestfeeding-you-should-too-31215?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=owned&utm_campaign=romperbf

I am long term lurker. I am Spartacus. Is this for real?? Is this a view held by... well, anyone?

The jist of it is thus: the term breastfeeding is inaccurate and triggering for transmen, so we should call it chestfeeding (also, if you don't you are a jerk, so ner). And, if I am understanding it correctly, not just for transmen, but for all women.

I feel so ... fffffffff.

Does anyone here really think that chest feeding and the redefinition of the English language and men taking over everything to do with women will last?

Is it only me who assumes people will eventually wake up? Occasionally, I fret that it will just become the norm and I will end up, in my dotage, just bemoaning the 'world of today'.

but if someone asks you to use a certain pronoun, gender term, or yes, even a different term for how they feed their baby, and you refuse or say that it's not worth it, you kinda are

The text means you are a jerk if you don't use a different term.

I very much doubt I will meet any chest feeders but if I do , I'll bear it in mind.

I'm pretty certain I'll meet many women who breast feed and will find "chest feeding" ridiculous.

Those pictures on that web link are just women with masculine haircuts. Pfff.

Only halfway through page 1 but just had to post Hairy
These phrases "chestfeeding" "female penis" are the magic midget gems that produce peaktrans in droves.

So true but also lol

I have a 7 month old baby that I'm breastfeeding. I absolutely will not call it "chestfeeding", because that's not what I'm doing. I'm using my breasts to feed my baby. It's very fundamentally female and I'm not apologetic about that in any way.

Yeah, they can fuck off with the "chestfeeding" crap...

Fucking hell. Women and everything their bodies go through just don't matter to some people do they? What the fuck is next?

They'll probably try to ban breastfeeding next because it's transphobic.

In fact they'll probably try to ban babies.

Those who say this is Bollocks... Are these male bollocks or female Bollocks?

so do we have to redefine being human out of the genus classes mammalia and placentalia in case this offends by referencing the mammary glands and placentas that are fundamental to our biology and reproduction (male and female) - as that would be the logical conclusion of taking such linguistic offence

Its perfectly possible for a man or woman to have breast cancer (eg arising from breast tissue) No such thing as 'chest cancer' but a tumour arising from the chest wall is possible in either sex: but would be of an entirely different origin and composition (perhaps cartilaginous, bony, muscular) as they are (spoiler alert) different organs. Might not matter to the average facebook SJW but to your oncologist and radiotherapist...

and Breakfast

I've stopped being surprised by the unending narcissism of this movement which demands that women's reality be erased in favour of men's feelz, tbh.

I'm hoping that things like this will succeed in waking the "general public" up to the current status quo regarding trans activism.

If there's one thing the general public hates, it's being told what to do and say by the "PC brigade" (I use that term quasi-ironically). Whether or not people grasp the deeper theoretical issues behind it is another matter, but hopefully it will be a start.

A 'breastplate' is part of a suit of armour.

The term 'big chested' often means a girl with large breasts, not Arnold Schwarzenegger.

Men and women can both clutch things to their 'bosoms'.

We could all talk about 'chest feeding' and then some idiot would say that it was upsetting because it had too many connotations of cis women. However, there are very few words that unambiguously refer to a woman's mammary glands, probably because the English language avoids that kind of thing.

The problem is that that any idiot can say anything on the internet, but in the context of this subject, people accept a lot of nonsense because questioning current trends in gender definition is lumped in with being anti LGBT.

So according to the author, a person is assigned female at birth but self identifies as male. Ok.
So despite being a man, he decides to do the three most female-defining things I can think of : he becomes pregnant, he gives birth, and he produces milk to feed his baby. He feeds his baby with milk produced by glandular tissue which become enlarged and engorged during this process.
He does all this and still considers himself male, but a third party using the word breastfeeding is "triggering and a hurtful reminder" of his previous life.
Really?
I tried to reconcile this and ended up with the same sort of scrambled thought process which results from considering the contradictions and impossibilities of time travel

Exactly Breakfast...if you can cope with doing the most female things possible then you can cope with using the correct language associated with them

Oh FFS.

I am breastfeeding DS3. I refuse to call this chestfeeding.
The breastmilk (and I'm not going to call that chestmilk either) is being produced by mammary glands in my breast tissue. It's not magically appearing from some unisex part of my chest wall.

And as pp point out, breast tissue is something that men also have around there nipples, even if they can't lactate. Breast cancer is something that men - biological men - can develop. Unless we're going to be redefining breast cancer too in this new post-fact world

And if we're talking about someone who genuinely believes themselves to be a man voluntarily getting pregnant, giving birth and choosing to breastfeed rather than bottle feed - how is using the term "breastfeeding" more triggering to them and more disruptive to their view of their sex than actually carrying a baby inside their womb for 9 months?

Why do men have nipples? Why do male mammals have nipples? Breast tissue is synonymous with being a mammal, regardless of biological sex at birth. The only reason why women develop breasts is because of hormonal release during puberty and this differs widely and hugely amongst all women. Men also develop the breast tissue (and their nipples darken and widen).

The chest is upper abdominal and includes organs such as the heart, lungs and diaphragm.

The phenomenon of females who call themselves men, claim to have gender dyshporia do themselves no service in these manoeuvres, much less getting pregnant. The definition of dysphoria includes the replusion of the body in its biological functions--for a female that would include menstruation, bloating, breasts, pregnancy, and breast feeding.

I am even more concerned that the NHS is funding what would seem to be elective surgery. You either do or do not have dysphoria. All the rest is bullshit.

Oh for fuck sake

Yeah they can fuck off with chest feeding.

Been waiting for an opportunity to post something about trans issues on my local fb mums group, to stimulate debate. This link is perfect. I hope I have the right tone of bewilderment in my post:

I've been trying to wrap my head around this idea. I know that for women who feel dysphoric about their body, and would rather identify as men, it's a distressing situation, and they should be supported and not face prejudice.

However I struggle to understand why the millions of women around the world who use the term breastfeeding as a basic description should change to chestfeeding, because of a tiny minority who feel that it makes them uncomfortable?

Men have breast tissue too - in fact they can get breast cancer. So breasts are actually a biological reality for men. Therefore it's a stereotype that men don't have breasts.

So I am perplexed about this. Essentially, women are being asked to stop using the term 'breasts' because of a stereotype (that only women have them).

Has anyone come across this before? As an aside, I also wonder if transgender women who grow breasts from hormones or have implants call them 'breasts'? In which case, are the only people who should call them breasts men who transition to become women?

Nappies

Sounds logical and articulate to me. Doesn't come across as raging bigotry!

I'd be interested in the response.

Datun I'm not that clued up or articulate on the topic but definitely think that it's something that women, and mothers/parents need to be aware of. I was interested to see how my community would react when exposed to some of the more extremist notions of trans ideology.

So I posted (took out, on reflection, the last bit about men and breasts) and there were a few posts of puzzlement from other women. Then someone accused us all of transphobia, absolutely lambasted us, and demanded to admin that the thread be deleted and we all get a talking to.

I and the others protested that we hadn't been transphobic, just wanted to talk about how this proposal affected women. Apparently describing a group as a minority is a hate speech

I tried to question her but we weren't on the same page. I need to have emotional intelligence before I post, she said. There were a few women who thought it would be nice to change the language to be more inclusive, how we need to move with the times and how ideas and language evolve as we become more trans inclusive as a society. But by and large the reaction was incredulous.

It was a good discussion. Admin warned the accuser to be polite (she also mocked someone's spelling) but then I agreed to have comments shut off.

Nappies - that seems to be how these thing go!

The fb discussion I was involved in over this blog post had one person (a real life friend of mine) on it kicking off about transphobia. When it became clear that admin held a different view to her and would not back her up, she left the group. She said something about the dilemma of either staying in a group and being the 'lone voice fighting transphobia" or leaving the group because it is transphobic. She went with leaving. It happens a lot actually. This is the third real life friend who has left fb groups I am in.

I don't know what to do about it all. I was very involved in the Green Party over the last few years. Attended conference, stood for election, worked on policy changes. But after the last conference I just couldn't handle the trans bullshit anymore. No one seemed remotely interested in climate change, or UBI proposals, or issues affecting the NHS , and certainly not any issue affecting mothers/families/children. So so so many hours were spent on gender nonsense. Then they came out with the whole non-men thing, and I quit the whole party. It's pretty sad because it was a big part of my life for a while. I miss it.