MRAs

[girlwiththeflaxenhair]

This has maybe already been posted but couldn't find anything.

I've been trying to learn more about feminism and mens rights/anti feminists/mgotw/whatever and had a question or thought. Probably not an original one by any means.

It seems to me that a large part of the MRA agenda is driven by a feeling of rejection, they feel that women are the gatekeepers of sex and that if a woman wont have sex with them, but will with other men, that is a direct message that the other man is better than them.

Leaving this rather ugly stuff to one side for now, it seems like for this army of bitter young men to exist, there must be a corresponding number of young women who are single. Either that, or all the young women are going after the same "alpha" type males (I think this is the explanation that would be accepted in the MRA sphere)

I then started looking at whether there really were more single men than women, and it seems there are at the age a lot of these men seem to be (I assume most of them to be 25 or below?). However once you get to over 45 there are many more single women than men.

So how can this be ? The only explanation I can come up with is that it is more common for young women to date older guys that the other way around. Looking around at my own friendship group there are a few age gaps of 10 years plus with younger women/older man - I don't know any the other way around.

Is anyone interested in discussing this ? Are age gap relationships more common now than they used to be ?

So far as I can tell the anger seems to be based on the idea that women don't do anything except use their sex appeal to get stuff off men. Since men can't do that - they have to work - it's not fair.

Here's a piece from tge Guardian about radicalisation here

They focus on the racism angle but at the top is a pic of Milo thingy who was an early gamergate person and also started the attacks on Lesley Jones on twitter (he's now banned) - there's a lot of crossover between "alt-right" and anti-feminist / women hating groups.

I've just found this series made by an MRA (plus a female doctor) that despite openly promoting hatred and abuse is allowed to stand on Youtube

goo.gl/Zhyffp

BPD seems to be a big target of MRAs and as a woman with this diagnosis I feel pretty frightened and angry that there's an entire movement of people who seem hell bent on making sure I'm trodden down.

This series in particular smacks of rejected men who've had messy breakups with women who do sound like arseholes, but they're saying that instead of there being a percentage of women on the planet who behave this way (and men of course!) and that some of them might have BPD because 2% of the population does, instead EVERYONE with BPD (but obviously only the women) is an abusive nightmare.

Basically they hate and want to harm anyone who isn't "one of them".

That bloke in the US who shot all those women was active on pua sites.

I'm sure there are "normal" people in there who are just a bit sad but the rhetoric is very violent and does spill over into real life (doxxing / rape threats / other threats of violence etc)

Oh Paul Elam

Who started the mra movement (I think)

He's a right cunt.

Sorry poor choice of words.

He's a right cock.

Ok here is a link to an MRA manifesto
j4mb.wordpress.com/2015-general-election-manifesto/

There are 20 areas for action:

1. Abortion - there should be a point at which a foetuses right to life overrides a woman's bodily autonomy. This doesn't appear to have anything to do with mens rights.
2. Foetal alcohol syndrome - women should be held accountable for drinkinh too much in pregnancy. Again no direct impact on men.
3. Genital mutilation - circumcision should be treated the same as FGM
4. Fatherlessness, restoring strong families - proposals coveted in divorce but also the state should not fund sperm banks for lesbians or single people
5. Education - stop promoting girls into STEM initiatives (again not focused on right of men). Allow societies to create boys only schools with all male teachers.
6. Employment - look into why more men are unemployed. Scrap initiatives to get more women into fields e.g. Athena SWAN. Scrap the equalities act.
7. Access to children after family breakdowns - both parents pay equal money towards childcare, both parents share custody on alternate weeks. No bedroom tax for father's with non-resident children.
8. Domestic violence - refuge access for men. Increase in funding for male DV victims. Mandatory offender courses for men and women.
9. Sexual abuse - inquiries into anti-male bias in the CPS and women as offenders. New offence of "being made to penetrate" carrying same sentence as rape.

10. Armed Forces veterans’ mental health issues - increase respurces 11. Homelessness - LAS to provide accommodation to men who've voluntarily left home after relationship break down 12. Suicide - government enquiry 13. Criminal justice system - public enquiry, equal sentencing for crimes 14. Paternity fraud - compulsory DNA test8ng of all newborns. Men only pay child support if the child is proven theirs AND they sign to say they accept responsibility. Women have to compensate men for financial losservices if they are shown to have committed paternity fraud. 15. Anonymity for suspected sexual offenders - as it says, plus register for women who have made a false allegation and prison to the same duration as the crime would have attracted 16. Divorce - assets either revert to original owner or are split 50/50 on divorce. Resident Parents can be forced to sell property to compensate NRP if necessary 17. Healthcare - HRT for men. HPV vaccine for boys. Prostate cancer strategy. More resources for mens MH 18. Political representation - position for minister for men and equalities. Ban on all female shortlists. 19. State interference in company director appointments - scrap government pressure to increase women on boards (this is not related to mens rights) 20. Expectation of retirement years - change ages so that men and women on average receive their state pension for the same number of years (in effect women work longer as they live longer).

There seems to be more about taking away from women than giving any "rights" to men

Actually a "being made to penetrate" offence isn't a bad idea. Men might start to understand what women are up against when they start seeing sex offenders being cleared because "if he had an erection how was she to know he didn't want sex".

I just watched the trailer for The Red Pill and there's a quote from a MRA:

"We've talked about women's issues for 50 years".

EXACTLY. ONLY 50 YEARS OUT OF HOW MANY?!

These less than alpha men are shouting on the internet be it on tinder nightmares or red pill nonsense, because until the pill and the huge achievements of the feminist movement, these types of men would be married with women putting up with their abuse.

For me alpha men are not the jock stereotype, but the men who are confident enough to be egalitarian, who treat the women and men in their lives as their equal.

I hope these men still exist!

The whole alpha beta thing is a load of shite as well.

When they say "alpha" they mean big strong gets loads of sex and treats women like shit. They are jealous of these men.

In real life lots of women like men who are nice. That doesn't suit their victim complex though - their beef is that women ignore them because they are nice but not built like arnie so women ignore them. The fact that maybe women can tell what they're like a mile off and that's why they don't pull is something that they are absolutely not going to consider ever.

It's all projection as well - they view women as being simple minded and obsessed with having sex with hot young studs.... While obsessing about how to get sex from very young women... erm...

Had a few of the gang up on me on FB recently and tell me that the reason I'm single is absolutely because I'm a feminist. Um, no, no its not. And considering they had no idea im a feminist anyway until i chose to tell them.

But maybe they were right, maybe I have scary feminist pheromones too. Men smell me out.

So Cassie Jaye seems to be going around spinning the line about feminism being about man-hating. Nevermind the fact that the ringleaders of MRM deliberately target women with mental illnesses, inciting hatred and perpetuating stigma.

Interesting, never heard of her before. Is it likely she really was a feminist who had her mind changed while making the documentary ?

She might have called herself a feminist, but that doesn't mean she was one. It's perfectly possible to have sympathy for the problems men experience without coming to the conclusions she has come to about how society should take away the rights women have fought for.

Apparently they see household chores etc and decorating as women controlling men and another reason that men should not live with women. i.e. the whole "man cave" is evidence they say that men are only allowed one room in their own house where the way they want it. It seems like this is universally accepted as the way it will be - man lives with woman, woman spends his money doing the house up the way she wants, moans at him for not keeping it the way she wants it - stereotype dad figure are incompetent and apologising constantly to the wife etc.

I wonder if this started because one guy had a bad relationship, they can't all have had this experience, but seem to believe it is universal ?

Actually i believe that would MGOTW and not MRA although I am confused if the two are much the same or not.

MRA is just like alt-right. Hate groups.

MGTOW - the ones who actually do - that seems a bit sad.

Most of them don't though do they. They say they're going to go and we'll be so sorry when they're gone and then they don't go anywhere.

MRA / alt-right / neonazi - all huge crossover. "Traditional" values of sexism, racism, wanting control and power over anyone they deem to be lesser (women / children), xenophobic, hate fuelled and often advocates of violence. In the US at least.

Interesting that they apparently think "wife work" is something that women make up to nag men. i.e. cooking and cleaning and generally "keeping house" has been reframed as a tool women use to oppress men.

It's bollocks isn't it.

The idea that the whole house is for the woman bar the "man cave" or shed or whatever.

How many women have a whole room in house that is just for them and their hobbies? The other rooms are all for everyone!

It's like this whole idea that men "don't care" about birthdays or christmas or anything and so the women have to do all the work because they're the only ones who care.

Yeah right how many men would genuinely be perfectly happy with no presents or good wishes on their birthday, no special birthday meal / outing, no christmas presents, no christmas dinner etc etc. Erm not many is the truth.

Funny how they don't seem bothered that a mere woman is headlining their conferences - isn't that woman encroaching on their rights?

Funny how they don't seem bothered that a mere woman is headlining their conferences - isn't that woman encroaching on their rights?

Not at all, it's a win for them if they even have a woman agreeing with them. Sort of like validation.