Ftm activist offended they are no longer a woman

[Amalfimamma]

For all the Spartacuses. Have a laugh on me

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'And more importantly, it doesn’t include trans women. Since this is a percentage that relies on assignment at birth, we’re inherently excluding transgender women – who have a different birth assignment – in favor of propping up cisgender women'

Yes. Because they are men. Ffs.

The only people who are in any sense 'assigned at birth' are intersex people. It is the baby's sex which is observed and recorded. Because thats a real medically observable thing. If you had a amnio, and asked to be told, you'd unambiguously know before the birth - I knew my baby was a girl, presumably her sex was recorded at that point. Maybe they should take a quick look at every newborn's chromosome 23. It would presumably help to more accurately 'assign' and get early diagnosis for intersex kids, so on those grounds surely everyone should agree its a good thing?

All this "assigned at birth" business. I've asked some TAs and they've refused to answer.

I had DNA testing at 12 weeks, because of some problems. They were able to tell me it was a boy. Is my child special? Or unique? Or does science trump feelings ?

Amal, well, just like my kids, your child is both special and unique.. and boys..

This is the thing isn't it - by the time a lot of women and men are the other side of 30, we can be even more certain of ourselves, without a DNA test, because we've reproduced - and, apart from this person www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2190741/ that means we definitely know we are XX women/XY men

Can't be 50% of the population are menstruators - most women spend most of their lives not menstruating (pre-pubescent, pregnant, post-menopause)

This article... I would love to start a satire EF site where we could all contribute articles. Maybe a WordPress blog. Like everyday obedience in Twitter just more comprehensive.

If I narcissistic personality is not an innate part of transgenderism, I'll eat my hat.

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I take your point, Amanda. The longer I spend looking at this issue the clearer it becomes that while there are plenty of transmen and dysphoric transwomen who just want to live in peace, there's a significant majority of MTTs, the ones who pursue the extremist political agenda, who are dramatically narcissistic and couldn't be more male socialized. These are the AGPs, the cotton ceiling proponents. They have more in common with MRAs than women.

This group are very strongly motivated to promote and normalise transing children, because it ties in with the "born this way" narrative. This matters to them because it is used to conceal the fact that the true motives of AGPs and trans "lesbians" are based in fetish and kink, which aren't quite so socially acceptable. If this is pointed out they go batshit, but it's no secret. Spend some time lurking on the Reddit sub r/asktransgender or, better yet, search the archive for likely words (panties is a good one) and it all comes tumbling out. Sure there are many transwomen who "just wanna pee" but there are others whose motivation for intruding into women only spaces is powerfully erotic. This group will never accept gender neutral facilities.

The thing is prawn, 10 minutes on the line shows you all you need to know. I don't understand how Maria Miller could've missed it.

The trutrans need to stand up and say not in our name, in my opinion.

The way the TA respond to any challenge of their identity is classic textbook narcissistic rage.

You're right, Datun. The trans who don't agree with this shit need to make their voices heard. After all, if the tide turns and the trans lobby stop getting it all their own way, it's they who will suffer.

I started off very tolerant, but I've been on quite some journey. I've reached the point now where I'm prepared to campaign against transwomen in any female only space because I've learnt that if you give TRAs an inch they'll take a sparkly pink mile.

I just hope peak trans isn't too long in coming. Given the rocketing number of children and teenagers coming out as trans, I suspect it's this issue that may prove the tipping point.

The demand that any male who feels womanly even temporarily should have unchallenged access to women's spaces is guaranteed to lead to a sharp rise in attacks on women and girls. However we know from bitter experience that this isn't considered a priority. Raped in the changing room? Tough luck.

However when it comes to young adults who emerge from their adolescent dysphoria to the appalled realization that they are mutilated and sterile, I think the world will sit up and take notice. This, I suspect, will cause a lot of reevaluation and soul-searching.

What a load of pretentious twaddle in article in op

Prawn

I just hope peak trans isn't too long in coming. Given the rocketing number of children and teenagers coming out as trans, I suspect it's this issue that may prove the tipping point.

I couldn't agree more. When a 12-year-old is sterilised in the name of inclusivity, there are going to be some very angry people.

But I can't help being pissed off, that women's rights weren't listened to. However, if it lifts the lid, then it's all good.

IF transgenderism had any kind of credibility or scientific basis there would be ZERO people detransitioning.

I agree Datun. They do need to stand up. Otherwise I consider them hostile, not allies.

I don't have a nose ring - am I doing feminism wrong?

Prawn I have a horrible feeling you're right that society won't hit peak trans till the generation of young teens being harmed by TA ideology grows up to bear witness.

I can't believe there is so little protest from gay men about the homophobia inherent in branding "effeminate" men as "born in the wrong body" and encouraging them to have mutilating surgery. I hear lesbians protesting but gay men seem to be still all swigging the Kool Aid - with twats like Owen Jones cheerleading for the TAs.

well, let's see Oleanna- are you a woman?
if yes, well yes, you probably ARE doing feminism all wrong
not to mention womanhood

The trutrans need to stand up and say not in our name, in my opinion

I think that's harsh. They have a lot more to lose than most of us. I bet most posters who are vocal on here find it difficult to be openly GC in real life. I know I do, because I could lose my job. If it is hard for us as women, even though many women would be on our side, it must be much harder for trans people who would be treated as traitors by their own community. People like Miranda who will say the unsayable are incredibly brave, but I'm not surprised they are a tiny minority.

Not all protest has to be via public forums, they can write to their MPs. I expect TAs are.

The was only meant to relate to the second sentence, to be clear.

shinynewusername

Many have said they are suffering by association with the wackiness of the TRAs. Some have said they have been quite happy using the accessible toilets, and now feel they are being urged to use the ladies, as a political point. The trans activists claims that they ARE women, the appropriation of womanhood and the insistence on entry into women's spaces are going to produce an backlash. Genuine trans people will get caught in the crossfire.

I don't blame them for not getting involved, I just wish we had a more unified voice.

I don't blame them for not getting involved, I just wish we had a more unified voice.

Agree. If women, gay men and non-TRA trans people were all protesting against TRAs, it would be hard to silence us. The gay men would be particularly valuable allies because - if this whole debacle has taught us anything - it's that men's wishes will always trump women's

I totally agree re gay men. When gay men start to think trans rights are encroaching on theirs, then we'll see a backlash. No one gives a fuck about lesbians, or women generally.

I didn't mean that tru-trans should make their identities public, btw. There are other things they could do to stand with women. But I think that their silence is incredibly damaging to their cause (because everything is being polarised) and ours.

Totally agree that gender critical trans people, those who aren't anti woman or anti feminist, who just want to get on with their lives without shitting on other people are suffering as collateral damage.

There are gay male allies out there - my bestie is a gender critical gay man, and he's doing what he can. He comes at it from the angle of being extremely critical of transing "men who don't perform masculinity properly" as gay conversion therapy. I think that might only work for those over about 35 though, as you seem to need to be able to remember the struggle to make being gay acceptable - I'm not sure it works on millennials who don't have that background and who use the word "queer" to describe themselves, when older gimmers like us still instinctively recoil from that as being a disgusting insult.

"I started off very tolerant, but I've been on quite some journey. I've reached the point now where I'm prepared to campaign against transwomen in any female only space because I've learnt that if you give TRAs an inch they'll take a sparkly pink mile."

Prawn I completely agree. My attitude has done an about face too.

People with actual gender dysphoria deserve our respect and protection. I'm basically okay with this very small number of people having access to female spaces.

But the implications of the wider TA movement are horrifying. As someone said on another thread, once seen you can't unseen this.