International men's day event

[Milander]

I live in this area and can think if 4 women who have been killed in the last 3/4 years by partners in my neighbourhood so I'm a bit concerned at the rhetoric that this needs to be balanced.

"Last year’s event focused on violence against women but it is important to recognise that men can be victims too.

"One in six men will suffer from domestic abuse at some point in their life, with men twice as like to not report the abuse to anyone."

www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/news/14907724.Kellie_Maloney__this_journey_is_terrifying_and_frightening_but_we_don__39_t_choose_it/

*Pizan not Pixar obviously.

People in abusive relationships are often manipulated, isolated and controlled before the abuse starts, so their options to leave are limited. When the abuser has achieved victims dependence on them, violence often starts or escalates. Hence why for many women this starts while they are pregnant.
Someone who has been physically attacked by their partner 5+ times doesn't bear any responsibility for their partners actions, any more than someone attacked once does.
The responsibility for DV lies with the abuser, always.

I have no idea why you highlighted person and reported. You don't make a lot of sense.

Whats obtuse about stating facts?

I didn't say the words centre, majority, and there was no threat. You accused me of all 3, then cited a comment that highlighted none.

If I was to say 'Ignore environmental issues at your peril' would you consider that threatening also?

Yy venus
It might just be my paranoia, seeing threats where none exist etc
but I'm starting to think Piza just wants to derail

pizan "So you literally want a mens event, in which male DV victims attend to centre around the premise of fixing their violence tendancies?"

Could you tell me how Kellie Maloney has been the victim of DA? This link suggests their wife did nothing to provoke the attack (it's an interview with Kellie)
www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/kellie-maloney-tried-strangle-wife-5920750

Incidentally strangulation in DV is an indicator of high risk future murder of that victim. I read that Maloney is a dangerous individual who would be a potential risk to women.

Still think they are an interesting choice to speak at an event about men suffering DV, maybe you can explain?

I'm glad others have answered pizanfan's post - all I could do upon reading it was go 'FFS' and close the browser.

You said that women would bear the brunt of their frustration and reaction. After you said "ignore at your peril" . And yes that phrase does have an undertone of threat in the context, which is obviously not the same as talking about global warming.

You claim to have an understanding of DA pizanfan, but judging by your last post in particular that's clearly bullshit.

Devi

I don't know who Maloney is, and I havn't commented on that person. I was responding to OP and other comments.

Venus

Stop deflecting, the sentence 'Ignore mens/environmental/political/cultural/immigration issues at your peril' is in no way threatening. I find being dishonest about my stating that men should be 'centred' in the discussion, and that men are the 'majority' of victims far more threatening, as you clearly want to make me into something that you and others can demonise!

I don't think you understand crime reporting and the crime survey for England and Wales.
The DV figs you refer to come from the crime survey. It has a cap on repeat offences. The crime survey asks people how many times they were a victim in the past 12 months, it is not recording whether or not they reported that crime.
If a victim discloses to an anonymous crime survey they've been attacked multiple times in a year, it doesn't follow that means they reported those crimes therefore your post doesn't apply.

Totally agree with your assessment of Kellie Maloney, Devi. Quite telling.

pizan

"women receive the brunt end of the frustrtion and reaction!"

Please explain this statement

Pizan

Xenophile said "Absolutely Trib and given that Maloney is involved in it, they could do some interesting work around their extremely violent behaviour."

You said to Xenophile "So you literally want a mens event, in which male DV victims attend to centre around the premise of fixing their violence tendancies?"

I took your response to Xeno in good faith. I was pointing out that as far as I can tell, Maloney (subject of Xenophiles post) has not been a DA victim and instead is a perpetrator. I wanted to know your reasons for thinking otherwise.

It seems now though you just weren't following the thread and jumped to the conclusion Xenophile had an agenda, rather than a genuine point about Maloney.

Victims aren't always the ones who report the crimes.

But obviously you'd know that Pizan given your credentials on DV/DA.

Devi

The CSEW is only part of the ONS stats, of course PRC has to be and was used also. The figure of 5 is rightly capped to stop skeming of stats, its statistically honest!

Rufus

Ignoring a demographics issues can not have a positive effect on society, the more empathetic we are to mens issues, the more evidence we have to understanding how male victims view things. This can only lead to further developments in psychology and therefore understanding mens actions.

We don't need to understand men's actions. They need to stop perpetrating DV, which would result in DV being almost completely wiped out, which would obviously be a very good thing.

pizan

That doesnt explain your comment...at all, what do you mean by "the brunt" how does that "brunt" manifest itsself

Although thank you for your comment, what you say there makes perfect sense

Devi, I was wondering whether it was the Crime Survey, just couldn't open the link. You are quite right when you say Pizan hasn't understood the stats. Also IIRC self reported domestic abuse without physical violence is lumped in with the most serious physical violence involving hospitalisation, but sexual violence is not included. The important difference about coercive control domestic violence, which is mainly male on female, is that it is a pattern of different reinforcing behaviours (often including sexual violence) where the physical violence (where present) is used to control the victim by fear, and backed up by emotional abuse.

The figure of 5 is rightly capped to stop skeming of stats, its statistically honest!
We will have to agree to disagree on that. I agree with Prof Walby that the cap skews the rate and profile of DV offences.

www.lancaster.ac.uk/sociology/news-and-events/blog/sylvia-walby/official-statistics-mask-extent-of-domestic-violence-in-britain/

I know you don't read links, that's for any interested lurkers

Which proportion of the ONS stats are taken from the Crime Survey and which are police reports, Pizan? How does that work exactly? Could you explain please and provide some evidence?

Unfortunately, from the Scottish stats I linked to above, it seems that rather than reduce male violence, women's violence is rising to catch up (although is still way below)

Still from those stats, in Scotland, 90% of domestic violence was male on female. I'd be interested to see the source of your 40% figure from the US, and how those stats are collected Pizan.

All this being said, I, too, see no problem with International Mens Day talking about men. Seems appropriate to me.

Devi

Prof Walby is a radical, she is pro globalisation, female dominance, and knowing her she is very clever about what she says in public. She has a vested interest in promoting victimisation in women, and the opinion you linked I have read and studied. It is a manipulation on raw data to produce women as victims, I think the Telegraph printed it too.

She happily uses the ONS figures to prove her point, and dismisses what she doesn't agree with.

Choc choc

My figures are from the ONS report.

pizan professor walby is a peer reviewed professional researcher with an academic history coming out of her ears. I respect her point of view.

Weren't you saying we needed to not be informed by Facebook memes on a trump thread? But a respected academic isn't good enough either

I think you need to look at your own biases as it seems you are very keen to discount any information that disagrees with your point of view.