Donald Trumps latest comments

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I'm sure you've heard them, and his pathetic apology, but one thing occured to me.

Hasn't he just admitted to at least assault, and from some of the comments sexual assault?

I mean the say that he just gets in there and grabs them by the pussy is an admission of sexual assault to me.

I don't know what the law is in either the UK or the USA on this but if someone states they assaulted another person, do police still have to wait for a complaint or is there any obligation to investigate?

You haven't understood it correctly, Fantome. Hillary did her job. If you have contempt for anyone who defends a man accused of rape, then how would you change the legal system? Would you deny the accused access to counsel?

No, but I can still personally have contempt for how many victims are treated, not least by defence teams, and rage at how many never get justice. From what I read, Clinton's actions were pretty awful and served to perpetuate rape culture, but maybe I've not read it properly, I will again.

I think if you're equating defending a rapist because it's your job, and boasting about sexually assaulting women, like they're in the same ballpark, then you need to have a wee look at your internalised misogyny. Likewise with equating things that you yourself have done, and things that your husband has done. These things are not the same. If ever anyone needed a handy illustration about the sheer magnitude by which a woman has to be better than a man when they're up for the same job, then here it is, writ large, capital letters, flashing lights.

Fucking hell, even a dedicated defender of men against shrieking feminazis like grimarse gets it, so it must be in plain sight!

I'm sure most have internalised misogyny to some extent, no doubt I have, but I always come from a position of wanting to support women and girls. I just find the notion of laughing about anything to do with a case which involved you getting a man off the rape of a young girl abhorrent. I don't hold Clinton for anything her husband has done, only anything she might have done in attacking women.

I think Trump is hideous, normalises misogyny (the boys I've seen defending him and what they say show that, though the kind of things he's talked about are seen as almost normal anyway now) and I'd hate for him to win. I'm very glad we have a woman as PM, even though I don't agree with a lot of what she's doing. But I think it's fair to be uncomfortable (at the very least) with some of what Clinton seems to have done.

Fine to feel uncomfortable. You actually said "Clinton sounds abhorrent as well"
I will never understand this attitude.

Well I think someone who defends a man accused of raping a girl then laughs about anything to do with that case sounds abhorrent.

And you're happy to believe that's exactly what happened?

Ok

I think you can be uncomfortable with Hillary Clinton without putting her errors in the same ballpark as Donald Trump, or equating them at all. There is no equivalence between bragging about your right to sexually assault women in the 21st century and laughing inappropriately while telling lawyer war stories in the 1980s, about events in the 1970s.

I didn't mean to equate her with Trump, apologies for phrasing things incorrectly. Was just responding to another post on her which was the first time I'd read about that particular incident - I should have looked it I it more.

FWS
"think you can be uncomfortable with Hillary Clinton without putting her errors in the same ballpark as Donald Trump, or equating them at all".

From the clip in the post earlier
"Bill Clinton raped me and Hillary threatened me" Juanita Broderick
That couldn't be more clear.
She's either telling the truth or lying

Its early days with Trump and I will be surprised if others aren't holding back more clips or recordings to derail him but so far I think he hasn't raped anyone or attempted to silence rape victims

Fantome, come on, are you REALLY a teenager?? I've taught teens for 25 years and not one of them EVER has spoken or written quite so eloquently as you. Or with as much insight.

As for Trump, didn't he say some years ago that if he entered politics, he would do so via the Republican Party, as its voters were so stupid, they would ALWAYS vote Republican, no matter WHAT the candidate did. (A lot like DUP voters in East Belfast). And lo and behold, it appears Trump was right for the first time in his pathetic life. They really ARE that stupid!

Fantome, come on, are you REALLY a teenager?? I've taught teens for 25 years and not one of them EVER has spoken or written quite so eloquently as you. Or with as much insight.

As for Trump, didn't he say some years ago that if he entered politics, he would do so via the Republican Party, as its voters were so stupid, they would ALWAYS vote Republican, no matter WHAT the candidate did. (A lot like DUP voters in East Belfast). And lo and behold, it appears Trump was right for the first time in his pathetic life. They really ARE that stupid!

I'm pretty sure Ivana accused Donald of rape in official court documents.
That & Donald being on tape claiming he gets away with all his sexual assaults?
How much more do you want?

Clinton is not a great choice but she's a million miles better than Trump.

LastGirlOnTheLeft - why would I join this site out of the blue, purely because I'm upset and angry about the incident in Oxford two weeks ago and to talk about that, and pretend to be a teenager? What an odd accusation to make.

Fantome
" why would I join this site out of the blue, purely because I'm upset and angry about the incident in Oxford two weeks ago and to talk about that, and pretend to be a teenager? What an odd accusation to make"

Hahaha... Your new...you'll get used to it.

but so far I think he hasn't raped anyone or attempted to silence rape victims

google it

Or read one of the many articles linked from this thread.

Well, much as it pains me, because as a feminist, I believe women who say they are raped, Juanita Broderick recanted her allegation under oath. So I don't know. Women lying about rape is vanishingly rare, so I am reluctant to discount her straight out.

BUT, that said, it is still not in any way equivalent, because a) Hillary Clinton is not responsible for her husband's sexual conduct and b) I can't see any substance to the allegation that Hillary threatened Juanita. So there is no equivalence between the behaviours. But people will keep trying to conflate them. Can you not see the double standard? The only people responsible or accountable for men's sexual behaviour is those men themselves. Not their wives.

The double standards in the Trump camp are interesting.

Claims of harassment, sexual assault, rape (including of underage women) are dismissed by die hard Trump's fans as "tricks".
Whereas any claims against Bill are a sure fact (I'm not disputing the claims, BTW,, just pointing out the difference how they are received). And worse than that, reflect on Hillary.

If Bill was punished for his actions, and lying, including impeachment (later overturned), is Trump fit for the Presidency to start with?

I've always loved that bit of the Bible where Jesus said that the ends justify the means. Oh wait, that was Machiavelli, wasn't it? My bad.

Thank you for that smile, NTB. 'Twas badly needed. This fred (and the Chef Evans one) is getting me depressed.

I've always loved that bit of the Bible where Jesus said that the ends justify the means.

Also, I'm pretty sure Jesus's message is very left. :)

The Bible belt seems to concentrate too much on the abortion issue and forget about loving thy neighbour, and the samaritans, and the rich not getting into heaven, etc, etc, etc.

"A vote for Trump is a vote for the continuation of male entitlement – for the arrogance and inequity of unearned privilege, for the acceptance of irresponsibility in personal, familial and civic behaviors, and for the perpetuation of all the hateful biases that oppress women solely because of their gender."

Just read this in The Guardian on line. I think it just about sums up the arguments.