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Buunychops · 08/10/2016 14:04

I'm sure you've heard them, and his pathetic apology, but one thing occured to me.

Hasn't he just admitted to at least assault, and from some of the comments sexual assault?

I mean the say that he just gets in there and grabs them by the pussy is an admission of sexual assault to me.

I don't know what the law is in either the UK or the USA on this but if someone states they assaulted another person, do police still have to wait for a complaint or is there any obligation to investigate?

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LassWiTheDelicateAir · 09/10/2016 14:48

I don't understand how it happened. The rest of the world, no matter what their political persuasion, is looking on in horror.

Lweji · 09/10/2016 14:58

This story is from May
hollywoodlife.com/2016/05/14/donald-trump-accused-sexual-assault-groped-kissed-women-harassment/

Nobody gave a damn then.

LassWiTheDelicateAir · 09/10/2016 15:17

I remember when McCain was standing the Guardian had an editorial (before Palin was foisted on him) along the lines that Obama obviously would be their preference but if there was going to be a Republican president McCain was not a bad prospect.

ftw · 09/10/2016 15:17

That's because it was just the women talking about it then lweji so no-one cared. Clearly they were just troublemakers. Confused

And I can't remember the time line of events but presumably we all were still largely thinking he'd never be the nominee because that was just too far-fetched...

Lweji · 09/10/2016 15:26

By May it was kind of inevitable, I'm afraid.

caroldecker · 09/10/2016 16:35

Trump supporters don't care, not Trump supporters are not surprised.

Lweji · 09/10/2016 16:37

I know. Sad

SenecaFalls · 09/10/2016 19:05

On the other hand, Hilary, intelligent and formidable though she may well be, did really commit criminal acts in her e mail usage.

No, she did not. The FBI investigated thoroughly and found no criminal acts.

ErrolTheDragon · 09/10/2016 19:22

Re the comparison with Bill Clintons misdeeds - while his actions may have been morally repugnant, were they actually illegal or just inappropriate conduct between consenting adults?

Lweji · 09/10/2016 22:53

IIRC, he was impeached by the House of Representatives and acquitted by the Senate. It's mostly political rather than a matter of justice.

According to testimonies, Bill raped some or took advantage of interns (abuse of power).

The key issue for this election, though, is Hillary's role in it. Some claim she now only knew but also helped him cover up. In this case it would be helping a criminal, versus being an actual criminal.

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Buunychops · 09/10/2016 23:40

Wow, I'm glad (IYKWIM) that others agree with me that what he said he did was assault, sad that I can't trust my own judgement/feelings that I need to check with others again IYKWIM. . . .

I agree if this was a book/film you'd go well thats just ridiculous.

From my colleagues in the US they all seem to be a bit shell-shocked that he's even got this far, with several joking about heading to Canada.

Most of them are from the west coast; and they seem shocked at the level of racism & misogyny that has been displayed.

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sarahsarah76 · 10/10/2016 16:12

the media doesn't seem to be reporting on the accusations. im pretty sure ivanka trump swore under oath that he violently raped her a few years ago

Chippednailvarnishing · 10/10/2016 16:16

I saw a programme that covered that Sarah

VestalVirgin · 10/10/2016 16:37

I cannot say I am surprised. In fact, I don't think he will lose any voters over this, because he has told people, time and again, that he is a misogynist, and this sexual assault is a thing one could easily deduce he would do.

Frankly, if anyone is really surprised that he'd sexually assault women, they're idiots.

His statements on sexually assaulting women are a lot more credible than his claim that he will build a wall to keep Mexican immigrants out.

I am sure that if he is elected, he will totally continue to sexually assault women. (And also if he is not elected, but one can hope he won't get as easily away with it, then.)

Fantome · 10/10/2016 16:39

Lots of boys (apparently intelligent, go to very good schools) on my Facebook defending him, vile. Standard mockery if you challenge them of course. The language people like him use matters so much, it further condones the sexism which is so rife particularly amongst teenagers these days and reinforces it as normal and acceptable.

Childrenofthestones · 11/10/2016 11:42

Erolthe dragon
"Re the comparison with Bill Clintons misdeeds - while his actions may have been morally repugnant, were they actually illegal or just inappropriate conduct between consenting adults?"

I did wonder why nobody here seemed to be giving credence to the women accusing the Clintons.
Re consenting adults, I saw three or four women interviewed after they bravely stood and spoke to the media before Sundays debate.
None of it was shown on the MSM and I saw it online when they were interviewed by Hannity on Fox News afterwards.

"Women hurt by the Clintons speak: Where's Hillary's apology? "

One stated quite outright that BC raped her, another that he sexually assaulted her and HRC slandered her and tried to bully her to withdraw, a third that after being raped at twelve HRC represented the perp and either got him off or reduced his jail time and was recorded laughing that she never believed his evidence.
So if you believe these women then no, not just inappropriate conduct between consenting adults.

ErrolTheDragon · 11/10/2016 11:59

Thanks... blimey, what a choice.Sad

Dervel · 11/10/2016 13:13

God it really is the classic South Park episode where a vote comes down to a massive douche and a turd sandwich...

I cannot believe I am defending Trump here, but at least there was an apology from him. Watching the woman in the video posted above explaining how at 12 years old Hilary Clinton argued she had a thing for older men made me sick.

I think it would do a lot if Hilary came foward and apologized if only for that...

Grimarse · 11/10/2016 13:35

The accusation about HRC laughing seems to get misrepresented a lot.

She was appointed by the court to defend the man accused of raping the girl. She was duty-bound to defend him according to the law. I know this is FWR, but the law dictates that everyone is entitled to a defense lawyer. Hillary was appointed by the judge. The laughter came about specifically when she was interviewed about the case years later. She stated that the accused had passed a lie-detector test, which she said forever destroyed her faith in the machines. She laughed at the failure of the polygraph machine, not at the victim. The details are here;

www.factcheck.org/2016/06/clintons-1975-rape-case/

So can we stop spouting bollocks about her needing to apologise please?

Lweji · 11/10/2016 15:37

Yes, I'll put it in bold
She laughed at the failure of the polygraph machine, not at the victim.

PreemptiveSalvageEngineer · 11/10/2016 15:55

a third that after being raped at twelve HRC represented the perp and either got him off or reduced his jail time and was recorded laughing that she never believed his evidence.

Lweji got there first, but I was going to say, there's a Snopes for that.

Dervel · 11/10/2016 16:12

The apology I was referring to had nothing to do with any faffing about with lie detector tests, it was purely relative to the ordeal of placing the abuse of a 12 year old on the shoulders of said 12 year old in court.

It would be an opportunity to not only atone for the abhorrent treatment of a child. A reinforcement to the victim herself that it wasn't her fault, but open up the whole discussion on how children are treated in legal proceedings of this nature. All good things in my view.

If you want to focus on the polygraph test thing people's revulsion are coming from the point that she thought he was guilty, so KNOWINGLY blamed and harangued the victim in court anyway. Which totally flies in the face of her "champion of women and girls" rhetoric. At least taking some ownership of the problem could mitigate it.

Grimarse · 11/10/2016 16:36

My very limited understanding of due legal process in the USA (and UK) is the an appointed legal representative is duty-bound to represent their client to the best of their ability, within the constraints of the law. If HRC is qualified, and then appointed, she has to do everything in her power to secure the best outcome for her client. Doesn't matter if they are a shoplifter or mass murderer.

HRC is no different to any other lawyer. She is bound by the law and court processes. We may think that the system stinks. We may think it cruel. But it applies the same for everyone. I think the court proceedings for minors was changed in the UK after the James Bulger trial, to take account of how a minor could cope with the environment. I do not know whether any such provision is made in the USA.

But to expect Hillary to change her approach, or to do less than she is capable of, would have serious consequences for her as a professional (perhaps someone with more knowledge could expand on this). If you think that she should have changed her approach because she herself is a woman, then I still think that is bollocks. She was not in court as a woman, or a champion of women's rights. She was there as defense counsel. To heap blame on her now, or to demand some sort of apology based on her sex, when she was doing her job, is just wrong.

Fantome · 11/10/2016 16:38

Trump is awful but Clinton sounds abhorrent as well. I can't have anything but contempt for anyone who'd defend a man accused of rape, let alone of a child, and to victim blame then laugh about not believing the man she got off anyway (if I've understood this correctly) is vile.

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