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Consquences of self-identification

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MrsKCastle · 17/09/2016 14:37

Sorry if this has already been done. I've been doing a lot of thinking about current trans thinking in the media.

As far as I understand it, this is the predominant view:
Anyone can be man or woman, male, female or neither. It doesn't depend on your genes, appearance or potential ability to hear young. What's important is how you identify. We should always treat people as they identify, with regard to how we speak about and treat them, and what spaces/roles we allow them to access.

What I'm interested in, is how this self-identification will or could change society. I'd love to hear your thoughts as I think it will help me to get things straight in my head.

So far I'm thinking:
No more single-sex schools
No more single-sex hospital wards
No more single-sex clubs, whether that's Brownies or exclusive golf clubs
Anyone can apply for any scholarship or award, regardless of sex

What else?

OP posts:
FelicityLemon · 22/09/2016 18:50

A women's fell-running champion who tried to kill a British Athletics official was facing a review into her medals because she was born a man. Jeska is being held in a women's prison.
The whole issue of who can compete in women's sports must be sorted out quickly.

SomeDyke · 22/09/2016 19:04

From elsewhere on MN, we have a news story about an athlete (fell-runner) who attacked and stabbed three coaches. As reported here:

Lauren Jeska: Fell-running champion admits stabbing three UK Athletics coaches in attempted murder case

What the report does not mention was that Jeska was the women’s English fell-running champion in 2010, 2011 and 2012 and also won the British Championship in 2012, and that the reason the attack happened was that Jeska is a transwoman, and the man she stabbed was investigated whether as a transwoman athelete she had an unfair advantage over female competitors (which could possibly mean removal of medals and titles).

Does just being an attempted murderer mean you get to keep your titles, I wonder?

And why were the highly relevant facts not reported, which makes it sound like unhinged woman stabs three men for no real reason.........

And of course this isn't even the first recent UK case of such reporting (Claire Darbyshire). It's bloody depressing when you have to read the Daily Mail to get all the relevant details..................

WitchingHour666 · 22/09/2016 19:18

We can do various things to fight against this assault on our rights:

We can speak to the media. If enough people write complaints they will be forced to listen.

Writing a letter to MP's is also something everyone can easily do.

We can also start a petition.

We can also join any radical feminists groups that are near us.

We also can discuss this with people we know, to raise awareness. And we can form our own feminist groups from people we know, if there are none in our area.

It needs a multitasking approach. And we need to be unrelenting in putting pressure on our elected officials. As well as building up a strong feminist movement, to tackle the assault on our rights and feminism itself.

WitchingHour666 · 22/09/2016 19:19

I have drafted a letter that people can cut and past from. It is very long, and so people can try to condense it. If we all send a similar letter to our MP's then they will not be able to ignore us. (I have not spell checked it yet)

My letter:

Dear MP,

We, the mumsnet women, are writing this letter as we are deeply concerned by the government's response, following the transgender equality report. In the response is says: "A commitment to equality is at the heart of this Government and is essential to building a strong economy and a fair society. We want to build a society that celebrates and benefits from the talents of everyone; ensuring fairness, protecting the most vulnerable, and prioritising equal opportunities for all."
This sounds positive, however, we have some concerns we would like to share. We acknowledge that people born female; girls and women are disadvantaged and discriminated against in society presently. There does not seem to be a acknowledgement of this in either the report or the response.

Despite the work women's campaigners have done in the past, society still treats males and females unequally. We believe this starts from the moment a child is born male or female. The campain let toys be toys has highlighted this: "Let Toys Be Toys campaign is asking the toy and publishing industries to stop limiting children’s interests by promoting some toys and books as only suitable for girls, and others only for boys." The campaign for a commercial free childhood, has similarly highlighted these issues. The independent report on the impact of the commercial world on children's wellbeing, and the sexualisation of young people review. Also highlighted how girls are being socialised into a (usually sexually objectified) role. As adults females are also under represented in STEM careers and the pay gap is still present. Females still suffer high levels of sexual assault and rape, and the perpetrators are overwhelmingly male. Therefore, males are clearly an advantaged group and females a disadvantaged group. We are treated differently because of the sex we are born, and an inferior role is socially enforced on females. Whilst males are encourged to assume a socially superior role. We call these roles: gender and do not believe they are innate. We are very concerned that the government wants to protect "gender" (these negative roles) that disadvantages females, by law over biological sex. As this can only further benefit males to the detriment of females.

We are aware of the popularity of queer theory and postmodernism in the academy and the ideology that comes with that. For example the idea that classes of people are no longer disadvantaged, by the social categories they are born into. These ideas run throughout postmodernist discourse. There is also an idea, which forms the basis of queer theory, that categories of people can be "destabilised". And people can "perform" what amounts to gender stereotypes and then enter one or the other category of people, or declare themselves out of both categories altogether. This has come to be known as transgenderism. We have seen this idea of categories of people being fluid, being dismissed in regards to race, as the case of the white woman Rachel Dolenz demonstrates. Rachel was a white woman "identifying" as black, she gained a place in a black civil rights organisation, this was rightly condemned. Even though she sincerely "identified" as black and thought of herself as black. Why is the government not dismissing this idea of fluid categories of people in regards to sex?

This concept of fluid categories of people, is harmful only for the disadvantaged group. In Rachel's case black people, as she may experience negativity due to being perceived as black. But she has not got the same life experiences as actual black people. Moreover, she has chosen to "identify" with a disadvantaged group, which other black people do not have the privilege of doing. This can not be seen as "progressive" by people born into the disadvantaged group. As the ideology is in fact advocating "identifying" out of being born in a discriminated against group, if you do not like how you are perceived or treated. We do not think that is very "progressive" at all, but in fact regressive. We see sex the same way, when a male person "identifies" as female (a woman), he is a member of an advantaged group entering a disadvantaged group.

We do not believe which gender stereotypes you perform or identify with should be written into law, and supersede biological sex. As this severely harms people born female in many ways. Such as male people "identifying" as female then changing the stats on the pay gap, women in STEM careers, and many other things. The first "woman" soldier on the frontline is actually a male and so on. Whilst these men are lauded for being "brave" for seemingly entering the disadvantaged group of female (girls/women), women and girls suffer. Of course there are obvious reasons why a female may wish to "identify" out of being in the disadvantaged group of female. There are less obvious reasons why a male may wish to "identify" into that disadvantaged group. The DSM V's description of those diagnosed with gender dysphoria sheds light on what these motivations may be.

The DSM V says there are two groups of people who are diagnosed with gender dysphoria the "late-onset" group and "early-onset" group. It states male "adolescents and adults with late-onset gender dysphoria frequently engage in transvestic behavior with sexual excitement." And
"factors under consideration, especially in individuals with late-onset gender dysphoria (ad­olescence, adulthood), include habitual fetishistic transvestism developing into autogynephilia (i.e., sexual arousal associated with the thought or image of oneself as a woman) andother forms of more general social, psychological, or developmental problems." It also says these "late-onset" men after gen­der transition, "self-identify as lesbian." In striking contrast to females: "Natal femaleswith the late-onset form do not have co-occurring transvestic behavior with sexual excitement." This makes it understandable why heterosexual males may wish to "identify" as the disadvantaged group female.

Moreover, we believe there are obvious reasons for not accepting males who "identify" as females (as women) into sex segregated spaces. Because males are the perpetrators of the vast amount of sexual crimes, and women are the vast amount of victims of those crimes. However, we highly sympathise with what the DSM V calls the "early on-set" group of people diagnosed with gender dysphoria and who also refer to themselves as "trans".

The DSM V describes those diagnosed with gender dysphoria in the "early-onset" group, in the following: "Adolescent and adult natal males with early-onset gender dysphoria are almost al­ways sexually attracted to men (androphilic)." "Adolescent and adult natal females with early-onset gender dysphoria are almostalways gynephilic." (Lesbian.) It is obvious why someone who is homosexual and does not not follow gender stereotypes may think they should have been born the opposite sex. As we live in a society that discriminates against homosexuals, and has very ridged gender roles for the sexes. This brings us to our concerns about children, as the DSM V states: "For both natal male and female children showing persistence, almost all are
sexually attracted to individuals of their natal sex." So if a child does not conform to gender roles into adulthood then it is highly likely they will be homosexual. The idea of encouraging children who do not conform to gender roles to think of themselves as the opposite biological sex. Could reasonably be described as a conversion therapy for children suspected of being homosexual. Considering sterilisation is involved this is very concerning.

Furthermore, the DSM V says there could be other reasons for gender dysphoria under "differential diagnosis" like "nonconformity to gender roles", "Transvestic disorder", "Body dysmorphic disorder", "Schizophrenia (or other psychotic disorders)" or an "Emasculinization desire". We believe that the diagnosis of 'gender dysphoria' in reality lumps all these various elements together. And that these people end up either thinking or claiming they are 'trans', due to ideologies that have gained popularity in the academy i.e. Postmodernism and queer theory. Which have then been promoted to the public as transgenderism, through the media. We do not believe that gender dysphoria should be categorised as a mental illness. We think the other underlying issues should be addressed in more appropriate ways. We also do not believe that biological categories of people should be legally replaced by whether one has an affinity for a particular gender role.

In conclusion we do not see how it is reasonable or ethical for a male person to be permitted to "identify" as a woman. Which can only be based on stereotypes of what he thinks a woman is i.e. That women wear skirts, make up, have long hair, are shy, flirty, sexy etc. We do not think this makes a male a female: a woman. Anymore than wearing a turban, liking curries and watching Bollywood movies makes a white person asian. Neither do we accept the pseudo science of "brain sex" as an explanation for innate gender roles; this concept is reminiscent of the "negro brain" experiments from the eugenics era. We also do not believe that females are castrated males, we find this idea to be highly insulting to females. These recommendations appear to us as obtuse and naive in the extreme. Female (women, girls), and male (men, boys) are biological categories not a set of gender stereotypes. There is no acknowledgement of the fundamental conflict between females rights and males desire to "identify" as one of us. By supporting queer theory ideology and therefore the existence of transgenderism the government is supporting discrimination against people born female. This needs to be addressed.

Yours sincerely,
The mumsnet women

ErrolTheDragon · 22/09/2016 19:41

Witching - I've not read your letter in its entirety, but I have to say that I don't think you can claim it's from 'the mumsnet women'. While it may be congruent with what a lot of us on this thread and others may think, it's simply not the view of all 'mumsnet women'. There isn't a hive mind (thank goodness), MN is a haven of free speech (within talk guidelines). I'm sure there's some other wording you could substitute.

MatildaOfTuscany · 22/09/2016 19:45

For fuck's sake - the fell runner. I looked at the photos on the BBC website and thought "trans? something about the musculature round the shoulders..." (I know quite a lot of very good female fell runners, I know what female fell runners look like.) Then I thought "no, you're starting to get paranoid now..."

Oh well, there's that old adage "just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you."

I'm recalling that Finnish study showing MTT retain male patterns of offending.

And banging my head on the desk over yet another occasion on which the BBC leaves out a crucial material fact (like, the actual motive for the attack - leaving readers with the misogynistic "woman goes crazy" narrative in the absence of any actual motive being mentioned.)

Felascloak · 22/09/2016 20:03

Have you read the prisoner thread Matilda? Trans woman batters her boyfriend and claims hormones made her do it Angry Angry Angry

MatildaOfTuscany · 22/09/2016 20:11

Yes, I saw that. There's only so many of these threads I can take for the sake of my blood pressure. Angry

SomeDyke · 22/09/2016 20:15

"leaving readers with the misogynistic "woman goes crazy" narrative"
Or the psychiatric assessment and autism diagnosis to be raised in defence!

We see relevant facts and motive being hidden in an attempted murder case so as to avoid using the word transwoman instead of woman. Okay, I grant you in some cases the trans or otherwise might not be relevant, but in this case it almost certainly would seem to be central to the case.

And I wonder how the victim(s) feel, given that the reason they were attacked as they were doing the job they had been tasked with, hasn't been mentioned?

The Guardian doesn't mention it. The BBC didn't. The Indie didn't.

The Birmingham Mail has updated to clarify as regards the former 'mysterious motive' for the attack.

albertcampionscat · 22/09/2016 20:18

What Errol said.

Name's Rachel Dolezal btw.

WitchingHour666 · 22/09/2016 22:39

Yes you are right Errol. I've changed it, to concerned men and women, that way we can get men we know to sign them too, however reluctant they be. I've also changed the ending slightly. Some of us could just sign them with the name of our family, eg the smith family. I am going to print copies out and give them to everyone I know. The main thing is that the ideology needs to be targeted, not individuals themselves, they can be used as examples, but we must focus on exposing how harmful the ideology is.

My letter (revised):

Dear MP,

We are men and women concerned about the proposed changes in legislation following the government's response to the transgender equality report. In the response is says: "A commitment to equality is at the heart of this Government and is essential to building a strong economy and a fair society. We want to build a society that celebrates and benefits from the talents of everyone; ensuring fairness, protecting the most vulnerable, and prioritising equal opportunities for all."
This sounds positive, however, we have some concerns we would like to share. We acknowledge that people born female; girls and women are disadvantaged and discriminated against in society presently. There does not seem to be an acknowledgement of this in either the report or the response.

Despite the work women's campaigners have done in the past, society still treats males and females unequally. We believe this starts from the moment a child is born male or female. The campaign let toys be toys has highlighted this: "Let Toys Be Toys campaign is asking the toy and publishing industries to stop limiting children’s interests by promoting some toys and books as only suitable for girls, and others only for boys." The campaign for a commercial free childhood has similarly highlighted these issues. The independent report on the impact of the commercial world on children's wellbeing, and the sexualisation of young people review, has also highlighted how girls are being socialised into a (usually sexually objectified) role. As adults females are also under represented in STEM careers and the pay gap is still present. Females still suffer high levels of sexual assault and rape, and the perpetrators are overwhelmingly male. Therefore, males are clearly an advantaged group and females a disadvantaged group. We are treated differently because of the sex we are born, and an inferior role is socially enforced on females, while males are encouraged to assume a socially superior role. We call these roles: gender and do not believe they are innate. We are very concerned that the government wants to protect "gender" (these negative roles) that disadvantages females, by law over biological sex. As this can only further benefit males to the detriment of females.

We are aware of the popularity of queer theory and postmodernism in the academy and the ideology that comes with that. For example the idea that classes of people are no longer disadvantaged, by the social categories they are born into. These ideas run throughout postmodernist discourse. There is also an idea, which forms the basis of queer theory, that categories of people can be "destabilised". And people can "perform" what amounts to gender stereotypes and then enter one or the other category of people, or declare themselves out of both categories altogether. This has come to be known as transgenderism. We have seen this idea of categories of people being fluid, being dismissed in regards to race, as the case of the white woman Rachel Dolezal demonstrates. Rachel was a white woman "identifying" as black, she gained a place in a black civil rights organisation, this was rightly condemned, even though she sincerely "identified" as black and thought of herself as black. Why is the government not dismissing this idea of fluid categories of people in regards to sex?

This concept of fluid categories of people, is harmful only for the disadvantaged group. In Rachel's case black people, as she may experience negativity due to being perceived as black. But she has not got the same life experiences as actual black people. Moreover, she has chosen to "identify" with a disadvantaged group, which other black people do not have the privilege of doing. This cannot be seen as "progressive" by people born into the disadvantaged group. As the ideology is in fact advocating "identifying" out of being born into a discriminated against group, if you do not like how you are perceived or treated. We do not think that is very "progressive" at all, but in fact regressive. We see sex the same way, when a male person "identifies" as female (a woman); he is a member of an advantaged group entering a disadvantaged group.

We do not believe which gender stereotypes you perform or identify with should be written into law, and supersede biological sex, as this severely harms people born female in many ways. For example male people "identifying" as female and changing the stats on the pay gap, women in STEM careers, and many other things. The first "woman" soldier on the frontline is actually a male and so on. Whilst these men are lauded for being "brave" for seemingly entering the disadvantaged group of female (girls/women), women and girls suffer. Of course there are obvious reasons why a female may wish to "identify" out of being in the disadvantaged group of female. There are less obvious reasons why a male may wish to "identify" into that disadvantaged group. The DSM V's description of those diagnosed with gender dysphoria sheds light on what these motivations may be.

The DSM V says there are two groups of people who are diagnosed with gender dysphoria the "late-onset" group and "early-onset" group. It states male "adolescents and adults with late-onset gender dysphoria frequently engage in transvestic behaviour with sexual excitement." And
"factors under consideration, especially in individuals with late-onset gender dysphoria (ad­olescence, adulthood), include habitual fetishistic transvestism developing into autogynephilia (i.e., sexual arousal associated with the thought or image of oneself as a woman) and other forms of more general social, psychological, or developmental problems." It also says these "late-onset" men after gender transition "self-identify as lesbian." In striking contrast to females: "Natal females with the late-onset form do not have co-occurring transvestic behaviour with sexual excitement." This makes it understandable why heterosexual males may wish to "identify" as the disadvantaged group female.

Moreover, we believe there are obvious reasons for not accepting males who "identify" as females (as women) into sex segregated spaces. Because males are the perpetrators of the vast amount of sexual crimes, and women are the majority of victims of those crimes. However, we highly sympathise with what the DSM V calls the "early on-set" group of people diagnosed with gender dysphoria and who also refer to themselves as "trans".

The DSM V describes those diagnosed with gender dysphoria in the "early-onset" group, in the following: "Adolescent and adult natal males with early-onset gender dysphoria are almost always sexually attracted to men (androphilic)." "Adolescent and adult natal females with early-onset gender dysphoria are almost always gynephilic." (Lesbian.) It is obvious why someone who is homosexual and does not follow gender stereotypes may think they should have been born as the opposite sex; because we live in a society that discriminates against homosexuals, and has very ridged gender roles for the sexes. This brings us to our concerns about children, as the DSM V states: "For both natal male and female children showing persistence, almost all are sexually attracted to individuals of their natal sex." So if a child does not conform to gender roles into adulthood then it is highly likely they will be homosexual. The idea of encouraging children who do not conform to gender roles to think of themselves as the opposite biological sex, could reasonably be described as a conversion therapy for children suspected of being homosexual. Considering sterilisation is involved this is very concerning.

Furthermore, the DSM V says there could be other reasons for gender dysphoria under "differential diagnosis" like "nonconformity to gender roles", "Transvestic disorder", "Body dysmorphic disorder", "Schizophrenia (or other psychotic disorders)" or an "Emasculinization desire". We believe that the diagnosis of 'gender dysphoria' in reality lumps all these various elements together. And that these people end up either thinking or claiming they are 'trans', due to ideologies that have gained popularity in the academy i.e. Postmodernism and queer theory. Those ideologies have then been promoted to the public as transgenderism through the media. We do not believe that gender dysphoria should be categorised as a mental illness. We think the other underlying issues should be addressed in more appropriate ways. We also do not believe that biological categories of people should be legally replaced by whether one has an affinity for a particular gender role.

In conclusion we do not see how it is reasonable or ethical for a male person to be permitted to "identify" as a woman. Which can only be based on stereotypes of what he thinks a woman is i.e. That women wear skirts, make up, have long hair, are shy, flirty, sexy etc. We do not think this makes a male a female: a woman. Anymore than wearing a turban, liking curries and watching Bollywood movies makes a white person asian. Neither do we accept the pseudo-science of "brain sex" as an explanation for innate gender roles; this concept is reminiscent of the "negro brain" experiments from the eugenics era. We also do not believe that females are castrated males; we find this idea to be highly insulting to females. The recommendations in the report and the government response to it appear to us as obtuse and naive in the extreme. Female (women, girls), and male (men, boys) are biological categories not a set of gender stereotypes. There is no acknowledgement of the fundamental conflict between female’s rights and males desire to "identify" as one of us. By supporting queer theory ideology and therefore the existence of transgenderism the government is supporting discrimination against people born female and advocating what amounts to a conversion therapy for homosexuals. This needs to be addressed.

Yours sincerely,
Signature

WinchesterWoman · 22/09/2016 23:55

oh my god - the fell runner! NO. sweet jesus HOW did it not get reported

ErrolTheDragon · 23/09/2016 08:43

WW - it was reported, but some journalists were more economical with the truth than others. The Mirrow, Telegraph and today the Times (todays issue) report that Jeska is transgender and refer to the review of female athlete status. (I neither know nor care about the DM). The BBC, Independent and Guardian left this absolutely salient point out, but mentioned possible autism, thus transforming the story into 'woman with MH issues'.

WellyWanga · 23/09/2016 09:32

I've posted on other threads, but will add it here too, these are the organisation that are giving guidance to the bbc and other media on reporting and making of programs to do with trans issues. They have also work with ofcom.

www.onroadmedia.org.uk/work/working-with-the-transgender-community/

WellyWanga · 23/09/2016 09:33

And

www.transmediawatch.org

WellyWanga · 23/09/2016 09:39

You may have already read it but here it is again, the government response, to proposed trans rights. (Second Pdf link dated july 2016) It covers media as well. Letter at the bottom from ofcom.

www.parliament.uk/business/committees/committees-a-z/commons-select/women-and-equalities-committee/inquiries/parliament-2015/transgender-equality/publications/

WinchesterWoman · 23/09/2016 11:19

It's worth complaining to the BBC my friends. By which I mean, enough people email they will sit up and take notice.

WankingMonkey · 23/09/2016 11:53

The wording of that letter could work for an online petition also. I have faith we could get the 100k signatures required for a debate in parliament.

WankingMonkey · 23/09/2016 15:17

This terminology problem..I have been thinking about it...

Sex
Men = biologically male
Woman = biologically female

Gender is different to sex. Sex/biology can be proven. As an experimental post... to please everyone, gender becomes entirely separate (like it used already with most people...). For example

feminine man - biological male who is stereotypically feminine (eg. wears dresses, likes makeup, soft natured etc)
masculine woman - biological woman who is stereotypically masculine (eg. doesn't like dresses/skirts, plays a lot of sport, hides feelings)

Not sure where I would fit into this as I have a mix of stereotypically feminine and masculine traits/interests. I guess this would make me 'a-gender'. So now I am an 'a-gender woman'. With this change I would bet near everyone would be 'a-gender' as I can't imagine many people identify with EVERY feminine trait/interest or vice versa. We therefor lose the mixing up of sex and gender. Sorted?

OK, so now...a-gender being the 'norm' we don't feel the need to use a qualifier for this. So a-gender women become women. And a-gender men become men. Those who are rarer become 'masculine women' and 'feminine men' (and 'feminine women' and 'masculine men' for the purpose of this post) though someone 'identifying' with every feminine or masculine trait is unlikely to even exist.

Sex segregated areas remain segregated on sex as they are now, not based on gender.

And everyone is happy yes?

When you sort out the terminology..it makes sense

Or of course, we could ALL just acknowledge that 'gender identity' is nothing more than someones personality traits and clothing sense and stick to using biological sex. But it doesn't seem thats happening anytime soon.

(yes I have pasted this onto a few thread, it fits in every trans/gender identity thread as the problem people seem to have is mixing up sex and gender)

Lorelei76 · 23/09/2016 21:22

Wanking
No offence but I think the short version of that us that gender is a nonsense which is of what many of us have been thinking since we were old enough to consider it.

Trans gender, gender fluid, gender non binary - all mean nothing because gender means nothing unless you pay heed to the social construct aspect of it, which many of us don't.

The mistake I made was when the word transsexual seemed to be replaced by transgender, I thought it was some weird polite way of avoiding the word sex. How wrong I was!

venusinscorpio · 23/09/2016 21:35

I don't think you are wrong about that, Lorelei. But it's been massively exploited by people with an agenda and has passed under the radar until now for most people.

Lorelei76 · 23/09/2016 21:39

Venus I'm now thinking it was a deliberate change.
On many threads it is said that most transsexual people are just quietly getting in with their lives. I reckon that's true. I wonder if they have concerns about transgender people undermining the understanding of transsexual people. I only know one transsexual and that's in a work context so can't ask what she thinks.

venusinscorpio · 23/09/2016 21:42

I think it was deliberate on the part of transactivists and they knew that obfuscating sex/gender would be to their advantage.

WankingMonkey · 23/09/2016 21:43

Yes that was the extremely long version of saying that. This issue is, in these topic so many 'defend' it by purposely mixing up sex and gender. In a long and drawn out way, I was trying to prove that gender is nothing at all to do with anything and is infact not even fucking 'real'

Transsexual was the correct way of putting it. And transsexual simply means, dysphoria about ones sex. AKA they wish they had a womans body, think they should have one, and take steps to get one. Not really much (any?) different to BDD. The 'feeling like' and such is based on nothing at all, as you simply cannot know what a member of the opposite sex 'feels like'

'Transgender' is false, and dangerous if its not stopped spreading the way it is.

ChariotOfFire · 23/09/2016 21:44

Going back to some of your dystopian prognostications: is it logical that the greater public acceptance of and provision for trans people is likely to prop up the gender binary, rather than dissolving it? The logic of transitioning suggests a definite move across a gender divide. So is it logical that declarations of sex on official documents, and questions of sex equality in public life will be just as clear as they are now, if not more so? What do you think?

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