I think everyday sexism is getting worse

[StealthPolarBear]

And particularly on mn of all places. I don't want to do links as I do mention it on the thread but am I right or am I just spotting it more /getting more sensitive?

Loads of it on here. Any thread involving a sister in law or a woman within ten feet of a man who is married to someone else.

I wouldn't say it's getting worse though. It's always been like this.

I always thouh of mn as being less likely to be everyday sexist than most places.

But then as a mere woman what do I know ;)

I see it all the time, it's really bad on Facebook (where these types seem to congregate it seems). As is victim blaming.

The other day I over heard someone say that these days sexism is worse for boys than it is for girls these days

Yep I find it pretty bad.

I think there has been a subtle shift in general attitude on MN in the last couple of years but I'm also more inclined to pick up (and challenge) things that I'd have previously put up with

It's everywhere when you open your eyes and ears to it. It's rife. I have friends, intelligent friends capable of critical thinking, who are the most sexist people I know. They don't think this and when I challenge them on something, they either don't care, are indifferent or are oblivious.

Yes that's how I feel whispering.

Gosh, my proof reading is terrible today.

It's ok ill go and wine about you on the pedant thread :o
as soon as I can correct my own mistakes om this post

I'll keep an eye out for that thread then.

Argh I feel like a grumpy old woman.
maybe I should just strap on my marigolds and clean or cook something

Ok tea cooked now what?
I'm bored

Bump

Hiding AIBU can help but there's some corkers in relationships at times.

I can get dejected and hide threads for a bit!

No, you're not imagining, sadly. Some awful stuff on here these days. To take just two recent examples: thread on Keith Vaz, gets turned round to "was his wife complicit?" with some posts coming pretty damned close to implying she played a role because (quite possibly - i.e. entirely unsubstantiated speculation plucked out of thin air) she wasn't putting out enough; recent thread in relationships with several posts saying "It just baffles me why women put up with this shit..." - err, she has 3 kids, one really quite tiny, part time job, he's the big earner, and she's had years of being ground down, and he's a "good guy" abuser, i.e. the sort where the rest of society piles in and says "but he seems so nice, you could do so much worse for yourself, shut up and put up..."

ARGGGGHHH.

And breathe.

I think it's like seeing pregnant women when you're TTC: once you have a reason to notice, you see them everywhere!

I don't know if it's got worse, perhaps the examples are more egregious. I used to love a MIL thread, though (remind me how lucky I am with mine, perhaps), but now the casual sexism and misogyny can be pretty depressing

I agree. There was thread recently in relationships from a man who admitted to raping his wife, and the sycophantic "coercive sex isn't rape in relationships, ffs! " responses (along with hq deleting the thread when he asked them to) have disillustioned me somewhat.

That is, I agree that mn is worse.

I did read the op as "everyday feminism" though and wondered wtf they had done now

Beyond - I see that as more than casual sexism, though. I think that's an example of misogyny, and bloody depressing too (see also the thread about someone reflecting back on a sexual encounter when she was younger and whether it was assault or not because he initiated PIV sex without using a condom or seeking her consent to do so)

I've been seeing it a lot lately

Especially women excusing men's bad behaviour when it comes to certain situations

There was thread recently in relationships from a man who admitted to raping his wife, and the sycophantic "coercive sex isn't rape in relationships, ffs! " responses

WTAF?

Glad I missed that one.

I also feel as though it is getting worse. I sometimes wonder if there is a general feeling that women have made as much progress as we are allowed to make, and we should now stop complaining about "trivial" matters. There also now seems to be an increasing backlash from men and women who feel threatened by any measure of feminism or female success.

It scares me to be honest - I am not sure what has happened to make it seem as though things are getting worse again instead of gradually better.

Yes Olenna, good point. I meant I agree mn is getting worse, that was just a rather extreme example of it. I was more upset by mnhq's response to it than the posters - I could view them as a lot of one offs!

I work with young people and I despair at times. A boy goes out with girl A while in a relationship with girl B. Girl A is vilified even if she didn't know of the relationship.
The other girls will fall on girl A and destroy her. The boys watch bewildered and slightly smug cos they are getting away with it.
A lot of the issues are related to self esteem and we work to build it up but bloody hell those girls can be scary.

The mumsnet vilification of any "other woman" is really taken to extremes. Even dating a man who is separated is generally considered to be wrong - on the basis that he is probably lying but nevertheless it would absolutely be the woman's fault for believing his lies and/or depriving his wife of any chance of reconciliation.

I think much of it comes from women who have been very hurt and lied to by men in relationships, which I appreciate is difficult. But I really don't understand the demonising of the other woman combined with the desire to forgive and excuse the man who, after all, is the only one who has actually lied. I think that in many ways it is tied up with distrust of women who are seen to be deviating from the norms of relationship, societal or mothering roles.