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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

I think everyday sexism is getting worse

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StealthPolarBear · 09/09/2016 16:55

And particularly on mn of all places. I don't want to do links as I do mention it on the thread but am I right or am I just spotting it more /getting more sensitive?

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MatildaOfTuscany · 11/09/2016 18:11

andinto - yes to both your posts.

I feel like Susan Faludi's backlash should be compulsory reading for all young women in their teens and twenties - because by god we are on the receiving end of an almighty backlash at the moment.

StealthPolarBear · 11/09/2016 18:16

The examples I've seen have been a bit more mundane "that mum should learn how to control her children"
"Some mums are quite strict with the amount of sugar their children eat"

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andintothefire · 11/09/2016 18:17

Matilda - thanks for that recommendation. I haven't read it but it looks interesting. I wonder if there is also anything more recent along the same lines?

MatildaOfTuscany · 11/09/2016 18:20

I wouldn't worry about it being 20 years old - I re-read it recently, and it is still bang-on-the-money and frighteningly relevant.

venusinscorpio · 11/09/2016 21:01

Totally agree re Backlash. I read it when I was a teenager in the early 90s and then again a couple of years ago. It's very relevant still.

WilLiAmHerschel · 11/09/2016 21:08

I feel like it's a lot worse on mumsnet than it used to be. Or maybe my tolerance level has dropped.

Bluebolt · 11/09/2016 21:28

I think it has got worse but I find MN tends to go through phrases of hot topics. Mil and sil post seem to be the equivalent of daily mails click bait pieces at the moment. Where are the men?

ThymeLord · 11/09/2016 23:45

I don't know if it's getting worse but I do know that you can't fart a waft of feminism anymore without hearing, well men get battered/raped/passed over for jobs too. That and the "surely it should be equalism" bollocks.

BeMorePanda · 11/09/2016 23:59

I feel like I'm encountering it all day every day and everywhere at the moment.

I have signed up for a radical feminism activism workshop day in a couple of weeks and I can't wait. I've never done anything like it before.

I need to do something. I don't think I can cope with anything to grand or too big, (I would find that too stressful) but I need to find a positive way to make a difference for Women and girls. On a society level I'm very concerned prostitution/ buying sex is going to get rubber stamped by our govt soon. And that will be very bad for all women, for equality in society, for our safety, for our children's future.

Boys in dds y4 class are accessing porn!

BeMorePanda · 12/09/2016 00:02

You can download the complete works of Andrea Dworkin for free here ;

radfem.org/dworkin/

Prawnofthepatriarchy · 12/09/2016 07:45

Don't get me started on sexist mothers. I really, seriously, could write a book.

My DH was a SAHD. He did the lot. I have always been totally crap at anything domestic bar cooking. I had my own business, ran it from home. This meant I got a lot of quality time with our DCs, but did nothing round the house. When I had my second DS I worked until the Monday, gave birth on the Friday.

DH gets sick and, eventually, dies. DCs still at primary school. I was close to them emotionally, that was fine, but God how I struggled with games kit, coffee mornings, all the stuff most of the other mums had been doing for years. I tried to explain both to mums who raised their eyebrows and the school that I was seriously out of practice with all this basic stuff. And of course my DC and I were all struggling with our loss.

And all too quickly the judginess and spiteful gossip started. It went on and on. The school was appalling, even raising questions about my parenting.

My bereavement counsellor was utterly brilliant. Said from her perspective I was in the position of a man whose wife had died. Naturally I struggled with conventional female stereotypes. Made me understand that if I'd been a bereaved man caring alone for 2 small children all the school gate mums would be praising my courage. As it was, forgetting a reading book became a banging offence.

She stopped me from worrying what nasty sexist women thought. And it was all women. No man I know joined in. I made friends with mothers who didn't judge me but the hurt runs deep, as you can probably tell.

Prawnofthepatriarchy · 12/09/2016 07:46

Bemore where is this workshop? Pm me if you like.

PuertoVallarta · 12/09/2016 09:13

Want to pipe up for Backlash. It's very relevant.

And yes, everyday sexism is much worse than it was in the 1990s. I'm too weary of it to give examples right now. Be preaching to the choir, anyway.

imwithspud · 12/09/2016 09:31

The worrying thing is many people make sexist remarks without even realising it, especially some women.

I agree with the poster who said that there's a general feeling in society that women have made as much progress as we are 'allowed' to make. That if we speak up about 'trivia' issues then we are seen as wanting more rights at the expense of men's rights. Which isn't true at all. Very infuriating that sexism is seen as the norm to the point where many people are sexist without even realising it.

BeMorePanda · 12/09/2016 09:45

Feminist Activism
London - venue TBA
Saturday 24th September

www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/feminist-activism-tickets-21488830671

I have a Very Important Party the night before and expect to be at least partially ruined, but I will be there.

Prawnofthepatriarchy · 12/09/2016 09:48

I'm with imwith and andinto in perceiving a widespread attitude that women have done as well as we can expect, and that insisting on true equality, let alone the liberation of women, we're being greedy and/or petty.

Like a lot of women I was radicalized by motherhood. I thought feminism had achieved most of its aims. Then I had a baby and realised that from roots to tip, it's still a man's world.

Never understood women who blame the OW. It's not her who's let you down. Seems so childish

BeMorePanda · 12/09/2016 09:49

Sorry for your loss Prawn - I find a lot of the school Mums are like that too. Very depressing.

In lighter news, a woman rang my doorbell on Saturday and declared herself to be the "postman". Hmm

Sometimes every little baby step is important.

Prawnofthepatriarchy · 12/09/2016 09:54

Thank you Bemore. I might be there too. Went to one in July. It was totally brilliant. I said I'd report back to FWR but managed to arrive v late, forget nearly everything specific that was said and was completely incapable of providing a decent summary. Blush

If I decide to go perhaps we could meet up.

BeMorePanda · 12/09/2016 09:58

I would like that - I don't have any real life feminist friends - well not in my daily physical life anyway, and I am going on my own. We need a signal :)

I will be looking very tired and hungover - with a large coffee or 2. Not my usual state but my best friend is leaving the UK forever and it is her leaving party the night before.

Prawnofthepatriarchy · 12/09/2016 10:02

I would like that too, so once I've committed, bought my ticket, I'll be in touch. Grin

BuffytheReasonableFeminist · 12/09/2016 10:04

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BeMorePanda · 12/09/2016 10:07

fantastic

MatildaOfTuscany · 12/09/2016 10:10

Flowers, Prawn

I remember an ex boyfriend (who brought up his two sons on his own) saying that society treats single dads like heroes and single mums with the default assumption that they're feckless scroungers who've somehow failed. It's terrible (he thought it was terrible too!)

Prawnofthepatriarchy · 12/09/2016 10:19

I used to always describe myself as a widow. For some reason widows are more respectable than lone parents. I was ashamed of using other people's prejudice for my benefit but when the boys were small and life was tough I'd take any advantage going.

Thanks for the kindness re my loss. I was very lucky to have had such a lovely man but, although I still miss him, it was a long time ago now.

AmberGreyson · 12/09/2016 13:24

Agree it's getting worse

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