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'Blow job cafe' planned for London

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IndominusRex · 03/08/2016 18:18

Just seen this Indy article and am fucking outraged. At what point did this become ok? I for one will be writing to the planning officers.

www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/london-to-get-coffee-and-fellatio-cafe-a7170266.html

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Xenophile · 04/08/2016 09:22

Turns out it was just clever marketing for Chavet's escort agency.

No doubt it's given someone an idea though.

VestalVirgin · 04/08/2016 09:53

I would have thought fellating someone drinking hot coffee would be a health and safety nightmare

Prostitution itself is a health and safety nightmare, and the only reason why it was ever legalised in Germany was because people do NOT treat it like any other job.

In any other job, the high risks of catching STDs and the danger of unwanted pregnancy would be considered inacceptable. Not to mention the violent punters.

Bringing hot coffee into it really doesn't make it much worse.

Grimarse · 04/08/2016 09:54

I'd like to see what would happen if they tried to open a coffee and cunningulous cafe.

I imagine they'd shut down through lack of business within a short while.

VestalVirgin · 04/08/2016 10:04

I imagine they'd shut down through lack of business within a short while.

Or they would get death and rape threats by misogynists way before the opening date. If the MRAs notice it and think it is in any way connected to feminism, that would happen.
But of course it is possible that MRAs are more tolerant regarding women's entitlement to oral sex than, say, women's right to safety, entertainment, representation, et cetera.

After all, getting oral sex does not improve women's life in a real meaningful way, in the way that equal payment or something like that would. So no real danger to patriarchy.

Grimarse · 04/08/2016 10:13

Nah. I just don't think they would get any customers. Nobody would care, and it would shrivel up and go bust.

Lorelei76 · 04/08/2016 11:41

actually they might not get customers....you can probably just sort all this via Tindr and such like.

Horrible idea though. Call me old fashioned but I miss the days where people just kept their personal habits personal - I include things like filing their nails on the bloody train. It's like a fashion that it's okay for everything you do to be "out there" and part of this is "let's get a blow job at the shop".

VestalVirgin · 04/08/2016 11:53

I just don't think they would get any customers.

Well, obviously. Women don't tend to be punters. The only customers would probably be some sex-pozzies who think it makes them look sexy, and they would only order coffee, either.
But I think there's some potential that the MRAs would throw a tantrum.

It's like a fashion that it's okay for everything you do to be "out there" and part of this is "let's get a blow job at the shop".

I would prefer if men weren't punters in secret, either. It's horrible that this is considered acceptable, but it is nowhere on the same level with filing your nails in public - filing nails is a perfectly acceptable activity, just one that many people would prefer not to watch.

Lorelei76 · 04/08/2016 12:05

Vestal, I just figured "paying for sex" was a whole separate topic. With this one I'm more concerned about the fact that it's likely to impact on general behaviour in the local area.

Grimarse · 04/08/2016 12:14

Sometimes I don't follow your logic, Vestal. How could anyone make a positive link between feminism/feminists and women giving blowjobs in a cafe?

LassWiTheDelicateAir · 04/08/2016 13:29

Turns out it was just clever marketing for Chavet's escort agency

Yes. The Geneva one does not exist either. I feel an idiot for not spotting this.

However I am seriously unimpressed with The Independent for running this story in the way it did. Other newspapers reported it but not as an interview piece. The journalist at The Independent is either as dim and more gullible as me or The Independent is sneakily taking advertising revenue to promote porn sites.

OneFlewOverTheDodosNest · 04/08/2016 13:36

Wouldn't it be nice if we could report a journalist for lacking ethical standards / journalistic rigour? Sadly I imagine that something like that would close down a lot of news agencies now but I've heard stories that once upon a time journalists were actually paid and there was a better standard of news...

BuffytheReasonableFeminist · 04/08/2016 13:36

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Helmetbymidnight · 04/08/2016 13:38

They used to have these in Japan. I remember being surprised by it 20 years ago.

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IndominusRex · 04/08/2016 14:43

So FOI request to the Indy to see if it was a paid promotion then?

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OneFlewOverTheDodosNest · 04/08/2016 14:46

How do we do that Indominus? Also, I thought they had to be clear when an article was a promotion so surely that would be against Trading Standards.

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IndominusRex · 04/08/2016 14:51

You can just write/email with an FOI request - main point is to be very clear and specific about the information you're asking about so they can't squirm out of it.

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Xenophile · 04/08/2016 15:03

I suspect Lass, that the Indy article probably was based on an interview and other papers picked up on it, so not technically a paid promotion, more a puff piece about a quirky new place opening in London IYSWIM?

Seriously clever marketing on the part of the escort agency, still shoddy journalism and awful idea.

VestalVirgin · 04/08/2016 16:30

Sometimes I don't follow your logic, Vestal. How could anyone make a positive link between feminism/feminists and women giving blowjobs in a cafe?

You had quoted someone mentioning a cunnilingus cafe. In which, I assumed, services would be provided mostly by males.
While I doubt any woman would pay for that, and I would not consider it feminist, it is not impossible for MRAs to mistakenly conclude that women would enjoy this, and as we know, MRAs are very much against anything that women enjoy.

Xenophile · 08/08/2016 21:50

This is an interesting article written by an exited woman about the whole thing. Article

Grimarse · 08/08/2016 23:15

Well now I'm confused. I thought this was phoney. Is she saying that one is actually opening in Geneva?

LassWiTheDelicateAir · 08/08/2016 23:19

So FOI request to the Indy to see if it was a paid promotion then?

FOI only applies to public sector organisations. There are guidelines about advertorials but this article wasn't presented in that way.

LassWiTheDelicateAir · 08/08/2016 23:22

Is she saying that one is actually opening in Geneva?

It is "set to open" by the end of the year. I doubt it will.

Italiangreyhound · 09/08/2016 04:21

Is there a petition about stopping this?

VestalVirgin re "Prostitution itself is a health and safety nightmare, and the only reason why it was ever legalised in Germany was because people do NOT treat it like any other job.

In any other job, the high risks of catching STDs and the danger of unwanted pregnancy would be considered inacceptable. Not to mention the violent punters."

Very important points.

VestalVirgin, have you read this article...

logosjournal.com/2014/watson/

LassWiTheDelicateAir · 09/08/2016 08:56

Is there a petition about stopping this?

It is not going to happen. Brothels and pimping are not legal in the UK. A petition is only going to give more publicity to his porn site.

Xenophile · 09/08/2016 09:11

Yes, there is a petition. If I can find it, I'll post it.

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