Man cleared of rape after having sex with a woman who thought he was someone else

[Felascloak]

metro.co.uk/2016/05/12/woman-realised-she-was-having-sex-with-wrong-man-so-accused-him-of-rape-5876504/

I feel really bad for this woman (although I think if I was on the jury I probably would have thought there was a chance he believed he had consent). The headline implies she was unreasonably upset when she found the person having sex with her wasn't who she thought and so "falsely accused" him. Poor woman probably feels totally violated.
Also, what kind of man shags a woman who's gone home with a different guy, when that guy has just left the room for a minute. Ugh. He says he didn't even want to

inviting rape

gone your talking out your arsehol love. It's is one thing to be a rape apologist and another to say women ask to be raped.

gone and what about women that We'r not drunk or seemed an easy target. If a rapist wants to rape he will. Your posts are utterly offensive

Kim my comments were directed to fella who had used the term. It most certainly wouldn't have been mine.

I think anyone in a bikini at night in Britain is putting themselves at risk. They'll probably end up with hypothermia.

Interesting that not one of you is prepared to engage with dialogue that is being carried out by experts on this very important issue for the purposes of helping women.

To me, that says a great deal.

You would prefer that these predators strike according to a system known to no one but themselves, despite research showing that there are a host of factors leading up to rape and while it is never possible to dictate another person's behaviour or indeed to take responsibility for their choices, it is possible to understand how and where you may be at greater risk.

I'm disgusted to come across women who reject the benefits of research because they would rather that women were victims of rape than did what they could to avoid it.

Interesting that you are not prepared to engage with dialogue around how the majority of rapes are carried out by men known to the victim and whether your recommendation is therefore that women don't enter into any personal relationships with men and remove themselves from any family relationships.

But then, your posts make you seem like a disingenuous wee besom, so it's no great surprise.

The research isn't as clear cut as you make out. Risk is increased when both men and women are drinking. In your post, you quote this man’s misperception of the woman’s degree of sexual interest is a significant predictor of sexual assault (Abbey et al. 1996a, 1998). The process just described can occur even in the absence of alcohol use. However, alcohol consumption can exacerbate the likelihood of misperception, thereby increasing the chances of sexual assault.'
That reads to me as if alcohol increases the chances of men incorrectly interpreting signals and raping. Yet you aren't advising men not to drink. Because as you've said up thread, you believe men can't be expected to control their behaviour.
Your point of view reflects misogynistic rape apologism, nothing less. It's a shame you can't reflect on your posts and see that.

Doesn't most research into crime the casuses of crime focus on analysing the causes from the point of view of the perpetrator not the victim?

Why does the perpetrator behave in that manner and what can we do to change the perpetrator's behaviour?

Given that marital rape was legal until 1991 in the UK ( no idea for other countries) I would assume that data collected since then has, over time, an increasing reflection of this change. And the current Rape and Sexual Offences Act has been in place since 2003; certainly, some of the prior Acts recorded oral penetration without consent as sexual assault, not rape, so again, older data may look different.

But looking forward to citations...

All this advice to women on "how to prevent rape", is actually "make sure he rapes someone else" advice.

If you never get drunk, if you wear a burka, etc, he might - if you are lucky - rape someone else because he knows it is easier to get away with raping a drunk woman in a miniskirts than a sober woman in a burka.
But he will still rape.

Even applies to my suggestion to live in women-only houses and only go out in armed groups of five. The rapists would still be out there, and they would still rape.
And if all women went to one side of the country and built a wall to keep men out, then men would still rape other men, as observed in prisons.

The only thing that prevents rape is lowering the number of rapists. Or putting them in single cells in prison.

Buffy Did you see the names in brackets in my last post? Those refer to people who have carried out research that has indicated whatever statement is made in the preceding line.

2 seconds of googling found this page

journalistsresource.org/studies/society/public-health/sexual-assault-rape-us-college-campuses-research-roundup

Summary of recent research
"Rape is “not caused by cultural factors but by the conscious decisions of a small percentage of the community to commit a violent crime.” In fact, RAINN points out that research suggests 90% of rapes at colleges are perpetrated by 3% of college men — indicating a real issue of repeat offenders"
Women are more likely to be raped while drunk, but so are men. Drinking is a risk factor for most violent crime. It's only women who are ever pulled up on this risky behaviour.
One of the studies linked even says The high proportion of rapes found to occur when women were intoxicated indicates the need for alcohol prevention programs on campuses that address sexual assault, both to educate men about what constitutes rape and to advise women of risky situations". Note there is as much focus there on stopping men raping as women avoiding risk.

felascloak This is not an argument about who should drink and who should not drink. I am, I think, speaking largely to women and the topic of discussion was whether there was anything women could do to lower their risk of being raped. Consequently I drew upon research that spoke to that. It didn't occur to me (and unless you are in the playground I think it's a facetious point to make) that this was a discussion about who should stop drinking the most. If you would like to have that conversation, you can have it with someone else because it's obvious to me that although the wider culture does of course need to change and there should be movement towards that however possible, notions of 'fairness' will not affect these statistics or have any traction at all in the mind of a predator.

Do you think a rapist cares what you lot think? Do you think the majority of men are queueing up to hear your views?

hellofa Descending to mocking insults because someone put some hard facts in front of you? Impressive.

A woman walking through a 'bad' part of town in a bikini is welcome to do so as far as I'm concerned. However, a study in 2009 found that a group of rapists disclosed sexual lust and opportunity as their 'reasons' for carrying out a particular rape. Perhaps they would be lustful no matter what. But dressing in the way that a model would in a lads mag (in which, let's be honest, women are dressed to appeal sexually to men) does seem as if it would be more likely to catch a predator's eye. As for opportunity - there could be opportunity anywhere, but somehow crimes do seem to end up happening in 'bad' parts of town and we'd be silly to pretend they don't.

As for most instances of rape happening with people who are known to the victim - I didn't say this wasn't the case, only that stranger rape is far from being a myth.

buffy if you're at all familiar with google scholar you can do your own googling in seconds. I feel under no obligation to do it for you.

It's fine telling men not to rape. Whether they listen is a different thing. Why not go to the middle east and tell men not to rape and see how far that gets you?

*Women are more likely to be raped while drunk, but so are men.

And your point is? Women are more likely to be raped full stop.

Drinking is a risk factor for most violent crime. It's only women who are ever pulled up on this risky behaviour.

If you want to change men's behaviour, be my guest. But don't try to hush up risk factors for women on principle.

'The high proportion of rapes found to occur when women were intoxicated indicates the need for alcohol prevention programs on campuses that address sexual assault, both to educate men about what constitutes rape and to advise women of risky situations". Note there is as much focus there on stopping men raping as women avoiding risk.'

I'm delighted to see it! I'm in full agreement that men should stop raping women and stop behaviours that make them more likely to rape women.

No, Buffy, I am still waiting to see research from you that suggests there are no situations in which women are at higher risk of being raped.

www.teenvogue.com/gallery/what-i-was-wearing-when-i-was-raped#9

No bikinis here. Strange.

"does seem as if it would be more likely to catch a predator's eye."

Well reasoned, well argued, well supported, well done.

Am I the only person who is now finding this thread weirdly amusing ? It has become surreal.

Sorry Ahell my post looked as if I were accusing you of the introduction of surrealism. I wasn't.

The surrealism ship definitely sailed without me as a pilot, Lass!